No we don't struggle. I agree he did all that as a man or through his HUMAN nature only. But that was a result of the Kenosis. He was still God despite that fact.
We have no disagreement in our views. It has been my experience that most Oneness people do not understand the Kenosis, nor its implications and make statements like "He did this as a man and this as God."
We have no disagreement in our views. It has been my experience that most Oneness people do not understand the Kenosis, nor its implications and make statements like "He did this as a man and this as God."
I agree to a certain degree. I don't believe Jesus prayed AS GOD in the garden, nor do I believe God died on the cross. Yet I know that Jesus was God while participating in those events. There is a difference, even if it's the same difference.
For me, it's difficult to state exactly what I mean and convey it clearly regarding how I see Jesus. I just know in my heart and mind who He is and that's what really matters.
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I agree to a certain degree. I don't believe Jesus prayed AS GOD in the garden, nor do I believe God died on the cross. Yet I know that Jesus was God while participating in those events. There is a difference, even if it's the same difference.
For me, it's difficult to state exactly what I mean and convey it clearly regarding how I see Jesus. I just know in my heart and mind who He is and that's what really matters.
but what we know in our heart and minds must line up with scripture... Muslims know in their heart and mind that Jesus was not even THE son of God but rather A Son of God.....
You are soo right , with God all things are possible except ONE THINg - He cannot lie and he cannot contradict himself... if he tells us that "HE ALONE IS GOD AND BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO OTHER" and then you elevate another man.. Christ Jesus to the status of the "PERSON OF GOD" you have now in effect created another GOD which opposes the Word of God?
Do you ever wonder why in all of Pauls prayers in the NT,, not one is ever directed to Christ.. but rather to THE FATHER? Why is that? Because his understanding of Godhead was not kilted by the Oneness movement or the Trinity movement.... He understood that Jesus was the only WAY TO THE FATHER or GOD -- and he credits Jesus with such......
but what we know in our heart and minds must line up with scripture... Muslims know in their heart and mind that Jesus was not even THE son of God but rather A Son of God.....
And you say He wasn't fully God. Got scripture for that, or is it just in your heart and mind?
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You are soo right , with God all things are possible except ONE THINg - He cannot lie and he cannot contradict himself... if he tells us that "HE ALONE IS GOD AND BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO OTHER" and then you elevate another man.. Christ Jesus to the status of the "PERSON OF GOD" you have now in effect created another GOD which opposes the Word of God?
What part of 'the Word was made flesh' isn't in your Bible? Jesus being God doesn't make two Gods...God is omnipresent...He is everywhere all at once, not contained in one area and not in another.
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Do you ever wonder why in all of Pauls prayers in the NT,, not one is ever directed to Christ.. but rather to THE FATHER? Why is that? Because his understanding of Godhead was not kilted by the Oneness movement or the Trinity movement.... He understood that Jesus was the only WAY TO THE FATHER or GOD -- and he credits Jesus with such......
Are you asserting that Paul didn't believe Jesus was God, or that Paul believed in persons of the Godhead?
Paul, like other oneness folks, recognized that Jesus was both God and man. Fully both.
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