Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship - Articles of Faith

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Is this more or less than UPC fees?

Coon will love it, because it gives him reason to hunt more coons and sell their hides.

It's almost double the UPC's fees.
Ordination pays about 400 something
General about 380
and Local around 350

plus tithes and district dues............

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

It's almost double the UPC's fees.
Ordination pays about 400 something
General about 380
and Local around 350

plus tithes and district dues............

It depends on the district you are licensed in. For example in the Western District, I know men who pay over $1300.00 to the district + their National dues. One of them stated that he would save close to $1000.00 if he switched.

[Michael The Disciple]

Seems like a huge waste of time to form another org just over whether a Church can advertise on TV. I notice they cannot help but promote the same old "immortal soul" error that is so entrenched in the post Apostolic times.

When a believer dies, their soul/spirit is conscious and alive, and immediately in the presence of God (II Corinthians 5:8).

With that said I see no need to bother around with the doctrine of the resurrection of the dead.

However THIS I do find interesting:

The Word is God self-revealing (John.1:1-3), God’s self-disclosure of himself (Hebrew1:1-3, Isaiah 9:6), God going out from himself (Revelation 5:6,7) God proceeding or emanating, the one whose “goings forth” have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2 Revelation 1:8).

It would be nice to get away from the Old Pentecostal doctrine that the Word/Logos was merely a "thought in Gods mind". If the WORD is Gods emanation of himself that means God had an emanation or "visible image" of himself before Bethlehem. That brings modern Oneness teaching back into harmony with the Apostles teaching.

I hope thats their meaning. I would be surprised if it is truthfully.

Then a lot of trying to legislate holiness. We disapprove of this, that and the other thing. Of course the usual promoting of uncut hair to replace the Biblical doctrine of the veil as a covering for women.

I never noticed ANYTHING about the all important truth that the believer is to:

Be ye therefore perfect even as the Father in Heaven is perfect. Matt. 5:48

This is Jesus standard of holiness.

Lots of disappointment no hope that this could turn out to be a real New Testament Church.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by chseeads

As far as that goes, I don't think God even gives a hoot what organization anybody is in.

My friend on this we certainly agree. ALL organization is man's attempt to further the work of God OR further themselves. However I really think the concept of organization as seen it Pentecost through the years has outlived it's day. Modern Technology and travel has it them obsolete.

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

With no consenus among Pentecostal folks of what "a real New Testament church" would look like, I think people try to do the best they know how to do. I agree, we've got a ways to go to be, not a NT church, but the church Jesus spoke of in Matthew 16. A careful and honest look at the NT church shows it, as the present day church, had its problems. In fact, considering 1Cor. 1, the NT church was divided over an issue that still divides us today: Water Baptism. There was false doctrine in the church then, false teachers, sin, and, worst of all, division. Actually, it seems there isn't alot of difference between the church then and now.

So, to be the type of church Jesus spoke of, we have to go beyond the NT church. We have to go all the way back to Jesus, the Chief Cornerstone, to find a picture of God's Church. We can glean from Jesus' Words and the writings of the Apostles to see what God intended for His church, but, while the NT church seems to be closer than we are, it isn't an accurate description of the Church God intended. And, that may be the problem. We are trying so earnestly to pattern ourselves after the NT church, yet we overlook the fact that the NT church doesn't quite measure up to what God intended for His church to be. The NT church shouldn't be our pattern. The Bible says Jesus is our example. He is the pattern to follow.

[BHILL]

I'm wondering if there will be a "headquarters" church inTulsa. I only know of one independant pastor in Tulsa who is interested in the new organization and he has a real small church.I don't think G Howard is interested in joining up with these guys.Maybe Floyd Odom is going to start a church???

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Exactly!

Remember back in October when we were told they had no intention of forming an organization? Prominent members of this board tried very hard to call the rest of us liars when we pointed out their intentions.

Tell me, were they lying then, or just horribly mistaken and blind?

Actually, if memory serves me correctly, you where the one that called others liars.



Friends, I have followed this from a little distance since GC. The word given at the beginning was that this was going to be a loose fellowship. This is the reason why many faught the proclamations that it would be an ORG. I have watched as informationally it evolved into what it now is.

WAS IT IN THE MINDS OF THE FOUNDERS TO MAKE IT AN ORG AT THE START?? I do not know, and none of you know for sure either. But the information out there at the start was that it would be a loose fellowship. IF it was in the minds of the organizers, they did not share it to quite a lot of conservative men that have plans on being a part of the Org.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by BHILL

I'm wondering if there will be a "headquarters" church inTulsa. I only know of one independant pastor in Tulsa who is interested in the new organization and he has a real small church.I don't think G Howard is interested in joining up with these guys.Maybe Floyd Odom is going to start a church???

I saw Elder Howard at a funeral yesterday he is not interested at all. He is not anti but certainly has no intention to join.

[jrLA]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Is this more or less than UPC fees?

Coon will love it, because it gives him reason to hunt more coons and sell their hides.

For LA folks-WPF fees are higher then with the UPC!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I saw Elder Howard at a funeral yesterday he is not interested at all. He is not anti but certainly has no intention to join.

I know of 7 UPC pastors in my district that have no intrest in WPF.