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Old 05-30-2007, 02:16 PM
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Sin carries a high price tag...even if death is not involved young people choose the high road.
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Old 05-30-2007, 04:38 PM
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Sister Alvear,

The words you have written in this thread are true and wise. I do think there are wonderful men and women of God who rejoice when a person taken in a sin is restored and once again made a vessel of honor to be useful in the kingdom.

The shame is in those men and women of God who want the person who sinned to be forever marked and discredited. I think that those type of people have been harshly dealt with or have never had to be forgiven. I do feel sorry for people like that.

We are all the family of God and should rejoice when our brother or sister comes home. Of course there is one in every family who is jealous and resentful because they think they should receive more honor and more blessing for never having sinned/left.

Thank-you for these valuable insights Sis. Alvear.

Love & Prayers, Sis. Rhonda


I know not only because of experiences with the people here but one of my adopted sons went through this experience and after 7 maybe 8 years this past week I felt that he got a real break through. Not that he doesn't serve the Lord, he does and takes care of a little daughter work but he has had a hard time forgiving himself and people never forget. He got a good word from the Lord from someone that did not even know him or his past and it really encouraged him to take on more responsibilities.

I still remember the morning my phone rang and he at that time lived in another area of Brazil....him saying, Mother, I need to talk to you...His voice was different. I knew something was wrong. I said, “Did you wreck your brother's car”? No, mother...Did this or that? No mother and then it came to me...Did you get your girlfriend pregnant? Yes mother...It would have been my nature to say now look what you have done to our name and all that kind of stuff we say...but such compassion came over me and I heard my self saying, Son, you are not the first or the last one that will ever do this. I did not know that one of my daughter in law’s was on the extention phone and that Michael had a gun to his head and had told her, depending on my mothers reaction I will kill myself…she screamed out, “Oh, thank you Jesus…” I did not even know that Michael had drunk a case of beer to even get the courage to tell us and sure did not know he had a gun to his head…
In the end we brought them up here, another son gave them a stove; someone gave them a bed and this or that. It has been 7 years ago and a long journey with set backs but I see a great work for them in the Kingdom. They can help people I probably could never help for they went to rock bottom.
Many times Michael has come to me and talked about his inferior feelings because of his past and I have worked with him and prayed with him.
Today, I feel after the prophecy he got that he is assured God has forgiven him and I believe he will be a key figure in time in the church here.
He has a very strong personality and he has not always liked everything we have told him to do but he has done it and his obedience to leadership even if it is Dad and Mom has made him stronger. His first reactions were to blame others but when he finally realized the problem was in his heart and attitude things changed.
He will deal with this the rest of his life. His first son was born with a serious heart problem I believe was the result of that sin. David’s son died. Children that are conceived out of wedlock carry scars. I have a girl with me now that was born out of wedlock and she has told me many things that she went through because of that fact.
Whether we admit it or not sin leaves an ugly scar. That scar can be used for us to become stronger or that scar can become our downfall. I have seen it work both ways.
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:51 PM
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copied this from the net for my children:
Consequences of Sexual Sin

Sexual sin produces consequences that will affect us deeply. Viewing porn is a form of sex sin committed through lust and idolatry (see How Porn Works). If you are looking at pornography, you are susceptible to the same consequences that result from other forms of sexual sin. The consequences may not be easily absolved, but God will forgive you of your sin through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

Whether you have already sinned, or are thinking about doing so, the point here is to encourage you not to sin. Here are some examples of the consequences of sex sin:

Sex sin defiles your body and damages its ability to fulfill God's purposes. Sex sin is unique in that we commit it against our own bodies (1 Corinthians 6:17). Our bodies function as temples of God's Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:12-20). When we use our body for sex sin, we dishonor our body and defile God's temple. We're also defiling the people that we are sinning with. Our lack of respect for the body (and for God) damages our relationship with God.

Sex sin grieves God's Spirit. Any sin we practice will grieve God's Spirit (Ephesians 4:31). It puts out the "fire" of the Holy Spirit in our life (1 Thessalonians 5:19). The more we quench God's Spirit, the less we will be inclined to live a changed life in righteousness.

Practicing sin forms a stronghold for evil in our lives. When we repeatedly sin, we give evil an increasingly protected place in our lives. The more we give in to our sinful lusts, the more they have control over us. Paul described this as slavery to sin in Romans 6:16. Sexual strongholds are particularly powerful, since they involve our body, soul and spirit. Thankfully, Jesus provided the means for us to break out of any stronghold and live for God in righteousness.

Sex sin can bring a curse on you, your partner and/or your children. Sex sin gives Satan a right to oppress us and our descendants through curses (see generational curses). The scriptural basis for generational curses is found in Exodus 34:6-7 and several other passages. Promiscuity, adultery, divorce, infertility, frigidity and other reproductive problems can sometimes be traced to curses arising from sexual sin (Numbers 5:11-31). Please note that all curses can be broken by the applied blood of Jesus (Galatians 3:13-14)

Sex sin can give evil spirits footholds to influence your life. Romans 1:28-32 provides a vivid account of how sexual promiscuity and idolatry opened the door to many other forms of evil. The Bible offers plenty of additional examples of sex sin and the ensuing consequences (see Bible Sex Sin Examples). Perhaps the most famous is David's sin with Bathsheba. His adultery with Bathsheba and murder of her husband produced family strife, the death of his son and opportunities for enemies to blaspheme God (2 Samuel 11-12).

Sex sin can bring spiritual confusion. Spiritual confusion begins when we start pursuing the pleasures of sin and disregard our conscience of right and wrong. The more we pursue sin, the more our conscience becomes dulled (1 Timothy 4:2, Titus 1:15). A dull conscience causes us to be susceptible to enemy's lies which will draw us progressively further from God (James 1:14). Eventually we may not even think our actions are sinful and our ability to repent can be hindered (Hebrews 6:1-8). Two examples of sex-related spiritual confusion are found in Romans and 1 Kings. The people in Romans 1:24-32 sinned through sexual immorality and idolatry and were filled with all kinds of evil. 1 Kings 11 illustrates how Solomon, the wisest person that ever lived, descended into spiritual confusion through sexual idolatry with his pagan wives.

Sex sin can cause emotional confusion. Sex creates emotional bonds ("soul ties") with our sex partner. These bonds will vary in strength depending on the relationship. God intended this emotional bond for marriage partners. When we bond with people other than our spouse through sex, emotional confusion results. This confusion can manifest in many ways. Here are some examples:

Recurring dreams and/or thoughts about former lovers
Inability to achieve emotional intimacy with spouse
Regret or bitterness toward people who hurt us in past relationships
Comparing our spouse with former lovers in sexual performance
Distorted understanding of true love (corrupted by lust or other selfishness)
Increased promiscuity, in attempt to find true intimacy and love
The danger of emotional confusion is that it can hold us back from experiencing true intimacy with our spouse and God. Emotional confusion can also act like a curse, fueling sex addiction and other struggles we may be having. For more info, please see our soul ties page.

Sex sin causes lasting memories. Sex memories are created in our brains with the help of special hormones released during sexual arousal. The devil uses these memories to condemn us and keep us in bondage to lust. These memories can cause difficulties in our sexual relationship with our spouse. Here are some examples:

Our sexual experiences with our spouse are corrupted by thoughts of our former lovers or porn images we've viewed
We idolize past sexual partners...especially when we run into difficulties in our marriage
We feel less satisfied with our spouse's sexual performance
Our minds are conditioned to gratify our lusts through sex instead of showing true love and affection
We get angry and resentful when our spouse won't help us relive past sexual experiences or perform sex acts we've seen in porn
Thankfully, when we follow Jesus Christ, we receive power to overcome the memories, purify our minds and regain control of our thought-life. See our prayers for healing memories for more info.

Sex sin can produce unloved or unwanted children. Sexual sin has helped devalue human life such that human babies are discarded as rubbish on an altar of convenience, pleasure and rebellion (40 million aborted since the 1960's). Children born through sex sin may grow up in homes where a loving father and/or mother are absent. Their brokenness will likely be echoed through the sexual choices they make down the road, impacting generations to come.

Sex sin can expose us to sexually transmitted disease. Porn's sexual fantasies do not portray the reality that sexually transmitted diseases often accompany a life of promiscuity. There are many different kinds of sexually transmitted diseases, most of which bring unpleasant symptoms. The worst of these diseases, AIDS, can cause death. Romans 1:27 contains a possible reference to AIDS.

Sex sin can destroy marriages and families. Adultery often destroys marriages and families. The husband and the wife will suffer emotional, spiritual and even physical damage when the bond of fidelity is broken. Major healing will be needed to repair the breach. Memories created during a marriage breakup can last the lifetime of the family and the effects can be felt up to four generations. Viewing pornography is a form of adultery (Matthew 5:28), and its potential to damage a marriage cannot be underestimated. Too often it is justified as a harmless necessity by the addicted, suggesting that it is not as damaging as physical adultery. This is a lie!

Sex sin can lead to an unbridled pursuit of lust and perversion. Sex sin usually feeds a growing fire of lust in our minds. If we continue to feed that fire, we can easily drift further and further into decadence. Paul described this state as indulgence in every kind of impurity, with continual lust for more (Ephesians 4:19, Romans 1:24-28).

If you have already reaped these consequences, there is hope for recovery through Jesus. Though every consequence may not be completely removed, God can help you make the best of your circumstances, and get back on track in a life of happiness and blessing.
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Old 05-30-2007, 10:01 PM
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Thanks for the e mails some of you have sent...Sex is so preverted in Brazil. We have children on the streets the black market rents to tourist. I hate the very thought of this sin. It has caused so much damage...sometimes unrepairable...
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Old 06-04-2007, 05:28 PM
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Just thought I would start a thread tonight. I need to run my post count up a little more.
To use this logic, Murder is not a sin either since they were going to die anyway.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:46 PM
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To use this logic, Murder is not a sin either since they were going to die anyway.
I can't believe you bumped up this stupid thread that I created in jest.

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Re: Is sex before marrage a sin if you marry the p

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Re: Is sex before marrage a sin if you marry the p

Sex is marriage, in God's eyes; making the question moot. At least to God.
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Old 10-19-2014, 02:42 PM
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Ha very funny, JD
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Re: Is sex before marrage a sin if you marry the p

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