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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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hey rdp, my great granny would out preach you and out pray you!
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Hope she prayed about what the Bible instructed her not to do!
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
1Co 14:34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
laleō
Thayer Definition:
1) to utter a voice or emit a sound
2) to speak
2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech
2b) to utter articulate sounds
3) to talk
4) to utter, tell
5) to use words in order to declare one’s mind and disclose one’s thoughts
5a) to speak
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Preach
kay-roos'-so
Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish.
We have it backwards in today's modern church. Preaching was always something done OUT THERE, proclaiming something to the masses about the kingdom of God they need to hear to be saved.
In the church it was TEACHING, and sadly we do more preaching to the saved than teaching
1Ti 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
teach
did-as'-ko
A prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb δάω daō (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application): - teach.
Tit 2:3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good,
Tit 2:4 and so train the young women to love their husbands and children,
kal-od-id-as'-kal-os
From G2570 and G1320; a teacher of the right: - teacher of good things.
Of the verb in verse 4
5 tn This verb, σωφρονίζω (sōphronizō), denotes teaching in the sense of bringing people to their senses, showing what sound thinking is.
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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Yes, mere differences.
Otherwise, I could find 1,000 other things to divide on. Repentance and Faith are Gospel issues.
Why is this your trumpeting issue? Why does it get you so beside yourself?
There is a world, a harvest that is ripe --- outside of discussing and articulating your position, why get so wrapped up in this? Your contention does more to divide the Body than a brother at another church that receives a young women to exhort and teach to their congregation.
They may be violating what you feel was intended as order for the Church, but you are breaking God's heart by destroying his very own Body by kicking, clawing and spitting at them with venomous words.
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They are not "my words," they're Paul's, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit! I have studied this issue for years & heard just about every argument on the planet...none of which overrides I Tim. 2:11-15 & I Cor. 14:34-35. Label me "mean" all ya' want....I simply believe the Bible......forced to run...check back later.
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1Co 14:34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
laleō
Thayer Definition:
1) to utter a voice or emit a sound
2) to speak
2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech
2b) to utter articulate sounds
3) to talk
4) to utter, tell
5) to use words in order to declare one’s mind and disclose one’s thoughts
5a) to speak
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Preach
kay-roos'-so
Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish.
We have it backwards in today's modern church. Preaching was always something done OUT THERE, proclaiming something to the masses about the kingdom of God they need to hear to be saved.
In the church it was TEACHING, and sadly we do more preaching to the saved than teaching
1Ti 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
teach
did-as'-ko
A prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb δάω daō (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application): - teach.
Tit 2:3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good,
Tit 2:4 and so train the young women to love their husbands and children,
kal-od-id-as'-kal-os
From G2570 and G1320; a teacher of the right: - teacher of good things.
Of the verb in verse 4
5 tn This verb, σωφρονίζω (sōphronizō), denotes teaching in the sense of bringing people to their senses, showing what sound thinking is.
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Agree w/ some of this, but will just add that since we're to "teach" in the church, then this is the very thing Paul forbid a woamn to do. This word also means "to preach" & is actually translated so 6x's in the NT. Also, you should know that Thayer is hardly backed up by a Greek proffessor today via the great Papyrologocal findings of the late 1800's. You can read about this in the front of Daniel Wallace's GGBB, etc.....just sayin'.
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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So they were just being allowed to learn.......& teach/preach at the same time they were learning??????????????? Also, is the Word of God authoritative by its very nature? Of course it is.
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Huh? Please re-read what I posted lol.
What dose the word of God being authoritative have to do with someone exercising authority over someone? That is two different things. The word of God and a woman trying to play the role of the man in her relationship with her husband
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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They are not "my words," they're Paul's, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit! I have studied this issue for years & heard just about every argument on the planet...none of which overrides I Tim. 2:11-15 & I Cor. 14:34-35. Label me "mean" all ya' want....I simply believe the Bible......
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Sounds like you found a pet issue to make yourself feel important about, RDP.
It's your trumpeting issue because it's one you've found an identity in maybe.
There's many words of Paul's that we just are uncertain what was truly going on or what it meant. Even though we may be persuaded one way, we should have enough grace to others about the subject to be tolerant and loving. We are united by the Gospel and the Cross. If you think you've mastered a Roman-style letter written to an audience 2,000 years ago, a letter responding to a dialogue piece that is missing (one-sided conversation) and you want to stake your life's blood on being right about it all, then go for it. The rest of us continue to humbly learn, and realize there is room for diversity of opinion on these issues.
I can say "I simply believe" the Bible for various issues that we'd probably not agree on. Not all of it is so "simple."
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Agree w/ some of this, but will just add that since we're to "teach" in the church, then this is the very thing Paul forbid a woamn to do. Also, you should know that Thayer is hardly backed up by a Greek proffessor today via the great Papyrologocal findings of the late 1800's. You canread about this in the front of Daniel Wallace's GGBB, etc.....just sayin'.
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Agree w/ some of this, but will just add that since we're to "teach" in the church, then this is the very thing Paul forbid a woamn to do. Also, you should know that Thayer is hardly backed up by a Greek proffessor today via the great Papyrologocal findings of the late 1800's. You canread about this in the front of Daniel Wallace's GGBB, etc.....just sayin'.
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Thayer just gives dictionary definitions. BTW the NET bible includes Daniel Wallace on committee.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
Here. Ejjoy,"speak"
λαλέω impf. ἐλάλουν; fut. λαλήσω; 1 aor. ἐλάλησα; pf. λελάληκα. Pass.: 1 fut. λαληθήσομαι; 1 aor. ἐλαλήθην; pf. λελάλημαι (Soph.+). In older Gk. usu. of informal communication ranging from engagement in small talk to chattering and babbling, hence opp. of λέγω; in later Gk the trend, expressed esp. in the pseudepigr. and our lit., is toward equation with λέγω and broadening of the earlier usage.
① to make a sound, sound, give forth sounds/tones (Aesop fab. 248b H.//146 H-H.//202 Ch.//v.l. 141 P.) that form a kind of speech, esp. of inanimate things (e.g. of the echo, Cass. Dio 74, 21, 14; of streams of water Achilles Tat. 2, 14, 8; OdeSol 11:6 τὸ ὕδωρ τὸ λαλοῦν), of thunder ἐλάλησαν αἱ βρονταί Rv 10:4ab. ἐλάλησαν αἱ βρονταὶ τὰς ἑαυτῶν φωνάς vs. 3. Of a trumpet 4:1 (cp. Aristot., De Aud. p. 801a, 29 διὰ τούτων=flutes, etc.; Achilles Tat. 2, 14, 8 of the κιθάρα). Of the blood of Christ, that speaks more effectively than that of Abel ( Gen 4:10) Hb 12:24; s. 11:4 (Goodsp., Probs. 188). Cp. J 12:29.
② to utter words, talk, speak, of pers.
ⓐ of the act of speaking, intr.
α. (be able to) speak; to have and use the faculty of speech, in contrast to one who is incapable of speaking (cp. Ps 113:13; 134:16; 3 Macc 4:16; TestSol 10:3 C λ. ἀνθρωπίνως) Mt 9:33; 12:22; 15:31; Mk 7:37; Lk 1:20, 64; 11:14. ἐλάλει ὀρθῶς he could speak plainly (in contrast to the unintelligible utterances of a deaf-mute) Mk 7:35.
β. speak, express oneself (Aesop, Fab. 146 H-H. et al.) οὐ γὰρ ὑμεῖς ἐστε οἱ λαλοῦντες it is not you who (will) speak Mt 10:20 (cp. TestAbr A 6 p. 83, 5 [Stone p. 14] ἄγγελος κυρίου ἐστὶν ὁ λαλῶν; AscIs 1, 7, τὸ πνεῦμα … τὸ λαλοῦν ἐν ἐμοί). προφῆται δύο ἢ τρεῖς λαλείτωσαν two or three prophets are to express themselves 1 Cor 14:29. ἔτι αὐτοῦ λαλοῦντος while he was still speaking Mt 17:5; 26:47; Mk 5:35; 14:43; Lk 8:49; 22:47, 60. μηκέτι αὐτοῦ λαλοῦντος AcPl Ha 5, 14 of a lion (?); μηκέτι λαλήσας 10, 25=MartPl Aa I 115, 16.— Lk 5:4; 1 Cor 14:11ab, al.—In contrast to listening (Plut., Mor. 502c λαλοῦντι μὲν πρὸς τ. ἀκούοντας μὴ ἀκούοντι δὲ τ. λαλούντων) Js 1:19; cp. 1 Cor 14:35.—In contrast to keeping silent (Lucian, Vit. Auct. 3) οὐκ ἤφιεν λαλεῖν τ. δαιμόνια Mk 1:34; Lk 4:41 (λέγειν v.l.). λάλει καὶ μὴ σιωπήσῃς Ac 18:9. οὐ γὰρ ἐπιτρέπεται λαλείν (women) are not permitted to express themselves 1 Cor 14:34f (cp. Plut., Mor. 142d: a woman ought to take care of her home and be quiet; for she should either converse with her husband or through him). This pass. refers to expression in a congregational assembly, which would engage not only in worship but in discussion of congregational affairs; the latter appears to be implied here, for it was contrary to custom for Hellenic women, in contrast to their privileges in certain cultic rites (cp. 1 Cor 11:5), to participate in public deliberations (s. Danker, Benefactor 164, w. ref. to IG II, 1369, 107–9; for other views s. comm.).—In contrast to acting Js 2:12.
γ. The pers. to whom or with whom one is speaking is mentioned in various ways: in the dat. λ. τινί speak to or with someone (Aristoph., Equ. 348; Philemon Com. 11 Kock; Menander, Periciromene 220 σοί; Aelian, Ep. 14 p. 181, 1; Diog. L. 9, 64; pseudepigr.; Just., A I, 63, 14. λ. ἑαυτῷ=with oneself; Lev 1:1f; Ezk 33:30b) Mt 12:46ab, 47; 13:10; Mk 16:19; Lk 1:22; 24:6, 32; J 4:26 (cp. CB I/2, 566f no. 467–69 Ἀθάνατος Ἐπιτύνχανος says of himself: ἐγὼ εἶμαι ὁ λαλῶν πάντα); 9:29; 12:29; 15:22; Ac 9:27; Ro 7:1; 1 Cor 3:1; 1 Th 2:16; Hb 1:1f; by πρός and the acc. (Plut. Mor. 502c [s. β above]; Ps.-Lucian, Asin. 44; Gen 27:6; Ex 30:11, 17, 22; JosAs 14:7 al.; Par Jer 3:5; ApcMos 28; SibOr 3, 669; Just., D. 27, 3) Lk 1:19, 55; Ac 4:1; 8:26; 11:20; 26:31 (cp. Lat. ire in consilium; Taubenschlag, OpMin. II 725 [the pap ref. is unsatisfactory]); by μετά and the gen. ( Gen 35:13) Mk 6:50; J 4:27; 9:37; 14:30; Rv 1:12; 10:8; 17:1; 21:9, 15. μὴ διαλίπῃς λαλῶν εἰς τὰ ὦτα τῶν ἁγίων Hv 4, 3, 6.—The pers. or thing spoken about is expressed by περί w. the gen. (PSI 361, 5 [251 B.C.] λαλήσας περί μου; PFay 126, 4 [c. 200 A.D.]; Gen 19:21; Ezk 33:30a; TestAbr B 8 p. 112 14 [Stone p. 72]; Test Job 46:7; JosAs 6:2 al.; Philo, Fuga 33, 30a) J 8:26; 12:41; Ac 2:31; Hb 2:5; 4:8.—τινὶ περί τινος (PPetr II, 13 (6), 9 [III B.C.]) Lk 2:38; 9:11; pass. Ac 22:10.
δ. The speaking or uttering can be more closely defined: κακῶς, καλῶς J 18:23. ὡς νήπιος 1 Cor 13:11. ὡς δράκων (hissed?) Rv 13:11. στόμα πρὸς στόμα face to face (cp. Num 12:8; ApcEsdr 6:6 p. 31, 10 Tdf.) 2J 12; 3J 14. εἰς ἀέρα 1 Cor 14:9. κατὰ κύριον 2 Cor 11:17. ἐκ τοῦ περισσεύματος τ. καρδίας τὸ στόμα λαλεῖ Mt 12:34; Lk 6:45. ἐκ τῆς γῆς J 3:31 (cp. Lev 1:1 λ. ἐκ τῆς σκηνῆς). ἐκ τῶν ἰδίων J 8:44. παρρησίᾳ 7:13, 26. ἐν παρρησίᾳ 16:29. ἐν παραβολαῖς Mt 13:10, 13. χωρὶς παραβολῆς Mk 4:34. λ. (ἐν) ψαλμοῖς speak in psalms Eph 5:19. Of prophets λ. ἐν πνεύματι D 11:7 (Just., D. 7, 1). Of God λ. διὰ στόματος τ. προφητῶν Lk 1:70; cp. Ac 28:25.
ε. as subst. ptc. τὰ λαλούμενα (Paradox. Vat. 2 Keller; Jos., Ant. 16, 321; Just., D. 7, 2) ὑπό τινος Ac 13:45; 16:14. τὰ λελαλημένα (EpArist 299; cp. TestSol 20:21 τὰ … λαληθέντα μοι) αὐτῇ παρὰ κυρίου Lk 1:45.—For λαλεῖν γλώσσῃ and λ. γλώσσαις s. γλῶσσα 3.
ⓑ of speech with ref. to what is expressed (the ability to λ. can generate λόγοι Aesop, Vi. G 7f P.), trans. speak and thereby assert, proclaim, say τὶ someth. (X., Cyr. 1, 4, 1 πολλά; Demosth. 45, 77 μέγα; Paradox. Vat. 2 τὰ ὀνόματα) τὰ ῥήματα τ. θεοῦ J 3:34. ῥῆμα Mt 12:36; cp. J 8:20 (JosAs 14:14 al.; Par Jer 3:4.). τὸν λόγον Mk 8:32; J 12:48; Ac 4:29, 31 (λαλ. τι μετὰ παρρησίας as Jos., Ant. 16, 113); 8:25; 14:25; 16:6, 32. τὰ μεγαλεῖα τ. θεοῦ Ac 2:11 (Test Job 38:1). βλασφημίας Lk 5:21; cp. Ac 6:11 (JosAs 13:9; Just., D. 32, 3). σοφίαν 1 Cor 2:6f. μυστήρια 14:2; cp. Col 4:3. τὰ μὴ δέοντα 1 Ti 5:13. τὸ στόμα λαλεῖ ὑπέρογκα Jd 16; μεγάλα Rv 13:5. τί Mt 10:19; Mk 13:11; J 12:49. ὸ̔ λαλεῖ Mk 11:23; cp. J 10:6; 12:50. ταῦτα Lk 24:36; J 8:28, 30; 12:36; 17:1; AcPl Ha 10, 11. ἐλάλησέν τι περὶ σοῦ πονηρόν Ac 28:21 (cp. 3 Km 22:8, 13b; JosAs 12:5). ἐσύρετο μηδὲν λαλῶν (Paul) let himself be dragged in without saying a word AcPl Ha 4, 11.—Pass. λαλεῖταί τι someth. is said, proclaimed, reported (cp. the ins for mother and brother [APF 5, 1913, 169 no. 24, 8] ὧν καὶ ἡ σωφροσύνη κατὰ τ. κόσμον λελάληται, also Ps 86:3) Mt 26:13; Mk 14:9; cp. Hb 2:3; 9:19 ἡ λαλουμένη διδαχή Ac 17:19. ὁ λαληθεὶς λόγος Hb 2:2. ἐλαλήθη ὅτι 11:18 (B-D-F §397, 3).—Oft., in addition, the pers. spoken to is mentioned, in the dat. ἄλλην παραβολὴν ἐλάλησεν αὐτοῖς Mt 13:33. ἐλάλει αὐτοῖς τὸν λόγον he proclaimed the word to them Mk 2:2; 4:33; J 15:3; Ac 11:19. ἐλάλησεν αὐτοῖς πολλὰ ἐν παραβολαῖς Mt 13:3; cp. vs. 34. τὸ ῥῆμα … αὐτοῖς Lk 2:50; cp. J 6:63.—8:40 (ἀλήθειαν λ. as Eph 4:25 below); 14:25; 15:11; 16:1, 4, 6. ἀνθρώποις λαλεῖ οἰκοδομήν 1 Cor 14:3; w. πρός and acc. ( Gen 18:19; Zech 8:16) λόγους … ἐλάλησα πρὸς ὑμᾶς Lk 24:44 (cp. Dt 10:4).—Ac 3:22; 11:14; 1 Th 2:2; w. ἐν and the dat. σοφίαν λαλοῦμεν ἐν τ. τελείοις we discourse of wisdom among those who are mature p 583 1 Cor 2:6; w. μετά and the gen. λαλεῖτε ἀλήθειαν ἕκαστος μετὰ τοῦ πλησίον αὐτοῦ Eph 4:25 (cp. Zech 8:16). ὅσα ἂν λαλήσω μετὰ σοῦ Hs 5, 3, 2; cp. Hs ins.—W. the speaking definitely characterized ταῦτα ἐν παροιμίαις λελάληκα ὑμῖν J 16:25a. κατὰ ἄνθρωπον ταῦτα λαλῶ 1 Cor 9:8. ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ θέλω πέντε λόγους τῷ νοΐ μου λαλῆσαι 14:19. πάντα ἐν ἀληθείᾳ ἐλαλήσαμεν ὑμῖν 2 Cor 7:14. ἀφόβως τὸν λόγον τ. θεοῦ λαλεῖν Phil 1:14. λ. τι εἰς τὰ ὦτά τινος communicate someth. to someone personally (cp. Dt 5:1) Hv 3, 8, 11 (for 4, 3, 6 s. 2aγ above). λ. τι πρὸς τὸ οὖς whisper someth. in someone’s ear (so that no one else hears it; cp. Jos., Ant. 6, 165) Lk 12:3.
③ In a number of passages the content of the speaking is introduced by λέγων (s. λέγω 1bθא), just as in the OT ( Gen 34:8; 41:9; 42:22; Ex 31:12; Lev 20:1; TestAbr B 12 p. 116, 28 [Stone p. 80]; Test Job 7:1 al.; Par Jer 1:1; 1:6 al.; ApcMos 16) Mt 13:3; 14:27; 23:1; 28:18; J 8:12; Ac 8:26; Rv 4:1; 17:1 al. Optional: εἶπον, q.v., end.—B. 1254. DELG. M-M. EDNT. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed.) (582–583). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
3281 λαλέω (laleō): vb.; ≡ DBLHebr 1819; Str 2980—1. LN 33.70 speak, talk; in some contexts with the semantic focus on the telling (i.e., the utterance or breaking of sound waves instead of the content) (Mt 9:33; 13:3; 23:1; Mk 16:17, 19 v.r.); 2. LN 33.91 πρὸς τὸ οὖς λαλέω (pros to ous laleō), whisper, formally, talk in the ear ( Lk 12:3+)
Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Greek (New Testament) (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
33.70 λαλέω: to speak or talk, with the possible implication of more informal usage (though this cannot be clearly and consistently shown from NT contexts)—‘to speak, to say, to talk, to tell.’ ἐλάλησεν αὐτοῖς πολλὰ ἐν παραβολαῖς ‘he used parables to tell them many things’ or ‘he spoke to them about many things using parables’ Mt 13:3; τότε ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἐλάλησεν τοῖς ὄχλοις καὶ τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ ‘then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples’ Mt 23:1.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (396). New York: United Bible societies.
λαλέω speak, talk, say; preach, proclaim; tell; be able to speak; address, converse (with); promise (of God); sound (of thunder)
Newman, B. M. (1993). A Concise Greek-English dictionary of the New Testament. (106). Stuttgart, Germany: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft; United Bible Societies.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
λαλέω laleō; from λαλός lalos (talkative); to talk:—made(1), proclaiming(1), said(6), say(5), saying(7), says(2), speak(95), speak forth(1), speaking(54), speaks(25), spoke(44), spoken(38), stating(1), talked(1), talking(5), tell(1), telling(1), things spoken(2), told(7), uttered(1), whispered*(1).
Thomas, R. L. (1998). New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek dictionaries : Updated edition. Anaheim: Foundation Publications, Inc.
λαλέω V 360-325-229-189-86=1189
Gn 12,4; 16,13; 17,3.22.23
to speak [abs.] Gn 18,30; to tell [τι] Gn 24,33; to tell to [τινι] Gn 12,4; id. [πρός τινα] Gn 16,13; id. [πρός τι] (metaph.) Nm 20,8; id. [τί τινι] Gn 28,15; id. [τι πρός τινα] Gn 39,19; to proclaim, to say [τι] 1 Kgs 22,8; to speak repeatedly, to repeat (prayers) Jb 40,27
ἐλάλησεν πάντα τὰ ῥήματα ταῦτα εἰς τὰ ὦτα αὐτῶν he spoke all these words in their ears, he communicated all these words to them personally Gn 20,8; λάλησον εἰς τὴν καρδίαν τῶν δούλων σου speak comfortingly to your servants, comfort your servants 2 Sm 19,8; λαλῆσαι ἐπὶ τῷ σῷ ὀνόματι to speak in your name Ex 5,23; ὅτι κύριος ἐλάλησεν καλὰ περὶ Ισραηλ for the Lord spoke good about Israel Nm 10,29
*Nm 16,1 καὶ ἐλάλησε and he said-ויקרה? or-ויקרא for MT ויקח and he took; *1 Sm 14,26 λαλῶν speaking-דבר for MT דבשׁ honey; * Ps 21 (22),8 ἐλάλησαν they spoke-⋄ פטר (hiphil, LH) for MT יפטירו they drew (their lips), they made (faces at); * Jb 6,4 λαλεῖν-⋄ אלהII to speak, to complain for MT אלוה Eloah
Cf. DORIVAL 1994, 485; LEE, J. 1983 83.95–96; REPO 1951, 110; WEVERS 1990 72.95.304. 317.546; →TWNT
(→ἐκ-, κατα-, παρα-, προς-, συλ-)
Lust, J., Eynikel, E., & Hauspie, K. (2003). A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint : Revised Edition. Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft: Stuttgart.
λᾰλέω, f. ήσω, (λαλός) to talk, chat, prattle, babble, Ar., etc.:—generally, to talk, say, Soph.
2. c. acc. to talk of, Theocr.
3. in late Gr., just like λέγω, to speak, N.T., Thuc.:—Pass., λαληθήσεταί σοι it shall be told thee, N.T.
II. the proper sense, to chatter, is sometimes opp. to articulate speech, as of monkeys, λαλοῦσι μὲν φράζουσι δὲ οὔ Plut.; of locusts, to chirp, Theocr.
III. of musical sounds, αὐλῷ λαλεῖν Id. Hence λάληθρος
Liddell, H. (1996). A lexicon : Abridged from Liddell and Scott's Greek-English lexicon (463). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
4. laléō, laliá.
a. This word, like “lull,” imitates childish babbling, and thus means “to prattle,” “to babble.” It is also used for the sounds of animals and musical instruments. As regards speech, it may denote sound rather than meaning, but also the ability to speak. In compounds the meaning is always “to prattle.”
b. laliá. The point here is excessive speech, i.e., chatter or garrulity.
Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1995). Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (506). Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans.
2980. λαλέω lalĕō, lal-eh´-o; a prol. form of an otherwise obsol. verb; to talk:, i.e. utter words:—preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. comp. 3004.
2981. λαλιά lalia, lal-ee-ah´; from 2980; talk:—saying, speech.
Strong, J., S.T.D., LL.D. (2009). Vol. 1: A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (44). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
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