End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Esther

Obviously it is not so crystal clear or there would not be over a thousand post.

Argumentum Ad Populum alert !


Some so-called "Christians" have been debating "Gay Marriage" for way longer than "a thousand post" - using your appeal to numbers above, I guess the issue of sodomy is not "crystal-clear" in the Bible neither ?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by rdp

Argumentum Ad Populum alert !


Some so-called "Christians" have been debating "Gay Marriage" for way longer than "a thousand post" - using your appeal to numbers above, I guess the issue of sodomy is not "crystal-clear" in the Bible neither ?

Zinger alert!

[RJR]

Originally Posted by rdp

You are dead wrong. The Greek verb translated "Prophesy" is lexically defined as:


In the NT, prophesy (4395 /prophēteúō) occurs 28 times, usually of forthtelling which reveals the mind (message) of God in a particular situation. 4395 /prophēteúō ("prophesy") can also refer to foretelling, i.e. predicting the future as the Lord reveals it (http://www.helpsbible.org/).


Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon:


b. with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining especially to the kingdom of God: Matthew 11:13; Acts 2:17, 18; Acts 21:9; περί τίνος, Matthew 15:7; Mark 7:6; 1 Peter 1:10; ἐπί τίνι, over i. e. concerning one (see ἐπί, B. 2 f. β'., p. 234a), Revelation 10:11; εἰς τινα (i. e. Christ), the Epistle of Barnabas 5, 6 [ET]; προφητεύειν followed by λέγων, with the words uttered by the prophet, Jude 1:14; followed by ὅτι, John 11:51.

c. to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation: Matthew 26:68; Mark 14:65; Luke 22:64, cf. 7:39; John 4:19.

d. to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or in praise of the divine counsels: Luke 1:67; Acts 19:6 (1 Samuel 10:10, 11; 1 Samuel 19:20, 21, etc.); — or, under the like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others (see προφήτης, II. 1 f.), 1 Corinthians 11:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 13:9; 1 Corinthians 14:1, 3, 4, 5, 24, 31, 39.




**Looking through first-century eyes & the lexical hues above clearly demonstrates that biblical "prophecy" is NOT an exposition from the Scriptures.

Hello somebody.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The term "sermon" isn't biblical. In fact, most "sermons" today better match the Sophists and their Aristotelian rhetoric.

Do you actually believe that the church of the New Testament met in church buildings and preachers preached little sermons behind little pulpits??? LOL!

Get real! LOL

Ahhh yes, here we go again with your weird fixation on "house-churches" . I have never met a "house-church" believer who did not have this strange-esoteric "revelation" that they constantly harp on - kinda' like you do all time !


And, specifically where did I mention "little pulpits" or even a "building":___________? Guess the early church met in the woods !


Yea' - "Get Real" indeed! LOL.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

In the NT church there was no difference between "church meetings" and "home bible studies"!!! Do you picture them having buildings!!! ROFLMHO!!!!!

Ummm, do you picture them out in the rain??? ROTFLMHO!!! See how easy that was ?

Christians simply gathered wherever they could and shared scripture, prophesied, gave testimonies, taught one another, etc. It was a very interactive meeting wherein there was open discussion. We didn't have one person up in the front delivering a sermonized monologue. That's a Roman Catholic custom that we continue in most traditional churches today.

Knee-slapping hilarity!! Guess Jesus, Paul, Peter, Phillip, etc. were allllll "Roman Catholic" - They alllll stood alone & preached-taught congregations (shall I post the passages fer ya'?) !


No wonder you're suffering from "PTSD" regarding "traditional church" (which is patently absurd BTW)!

Borther, Paul wrote,

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet

This has to do with a woman assuming authority over a man and trying to teach a group on her own brazen authority. If a quiet and submitted woman was called upon to address the group on a specific subject, she'd be under proper authority to do so. And she would humbly deliver her message and relinquish the floor to the elder when finished.

For example... Joyce Myers is way out of line in my opinion. She's functioning as an elder/pastor/bishop/overseer (whatever word you wish to use)... that's unbiblical. As a result, I don't receive Joyce Myers' ministry.

However, if the elder of our house church requested that my wife share something she's been studying with the gathering and she respectfully submitted what she was finding her in studies, broke into prophesying, and we happened to learn a thing or two...then she surrendered the floor to the elder when finished... that would be in perfect order.

Why? Because she's not assuming any authority over me or the elder. First, she'd have my support (a good elder always talks to the husband before asking a wife to speak). Second, she'd have the elder's support. She'd be under the authority of both her husband and the elder.

LOL - Guess you can just make things up as you go along eh'? The Greek verb translated "to teach" is lexically defined as "to teach from the Scriptures" & is used this way in virtually every instance in the NT.


This is what women are forbidden to do in the NT church - period! You are supplying the rest of the imported commentary - Not the Bible !


Next?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

These dudes have "home grown" definitions for things. And go figure... those definitions suit their interpretation. lol

LOL - Let's see, we've appealed to the Greek texts themselves (even posting the actual morphology), leading grammarians & textual critics, careful exegesis, specific syntactical considerations, historical quotes, & the plain readings of the biblical texts - combining hundreds of professional linguists.


Yea', really "home-grown" !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Oh... and with regards to "preaching". The word is "dialegomai". It's the very same word from which we get "dialogue".

Ummm, what on earth are you talking about? The Greek noun for "preacher" is often κήρυκα - as in here:


"If he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others."


You clearly do not know what on earth you're talking about - go figure.


Weren't you saying something about "home-grown" definitions which suit personal opinions ??

[RJR]

Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

ekklēsia

Thayer Definition:

1) a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly

1a) an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating

1b) the assembly of the Israelites

1c) any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously

1d) in a Christian sense

1d1) an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting...

[RJR]

Act 13:1..  ..Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

Act 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1Co 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Co 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

2Co 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

1Ti 3:15..  ..But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Not all the verses on church or churches but enough to indicate church was not only concerning those who met but also indicated where they met. Notice above 1 Cor 11:22, also, consider the difference between home and church in 1 Cor 14:35, and in 1 Tim 3:15 the house of God, which is the church.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Wow. In a "church setting"? LOL! Don't you know that Christians didn't have buildings for nearly 300 years! They gathered in homes. The gathered in mass in public locations such as town squares and the temple. When that proved to be dangerous they'd meet in barns, caves, and caverns. The "church" isn't a building... it's a body. Anywhere two or more are gathered in Christ's name you have the church... be it a religious building, a home, a barn, a park, a coffee shop, a tavern... anywhere.

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Wow...where do you get your information? It appears you imagine most of it. A place to worship would not be a new concept to the early church. Besides synagogues and a temple, they were familiar with the concept of a tent of meeting in the OT and later the temple. Yes, in the NT there were houses they would meet in, by riversides, and EVEN buildings. Paul on more than one occasion made a distinction between their houses and the house of God. Oh by the way, these distinctions between their houses and the house of God was not 300 years after Pentecost.

1Co 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.