Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Sister Alvear]

The great British preacher Charles Spurgeon once told a story about a Hindu woman who said to a missionary "Surely your Bible was written by a woman." When the missionary asked why, the woman replied "Because it says so many kind things for women....

[Sister Alvear]

all the things we will say both pro and con have been discussed for years...The best thing is to make your calling and election sure...and not change with every wind of doctrine...
Since someone requested not to make this personal I will try to refrain from doing so...however let me say after over 40 years on the mission field I sure would not be here if it was not a heaven or hell issue. The Lord called and for me to be saved I MUST obey HIS calling...the older I get the harder it becomes for my strength is not what it used to be.
I have no desire to offend any brother that writes here so please do not think I am your enemy because you may not believe in me.
Since I think the only one I personally know that is writing on this subject that does not believe in women preachers is Elder Epley and he knows me personally and we do not agree on this subject but I consider him very highly and have deep respect for him and never in a million years would I say anything on purpose to belittle him and he knows that.
He would always be welcome in our churches and in our home and there are so many other things we agree on he certainly is man of God enough to use ethics...and by the same token I am woman of God enough that if I were to visit his church he knows me well enough to trust me to give a testimony.
I think we all can state our reasons but in the end we are all baptized into one body and RESPECT is the key word in any situation.
And for those of you that do not know me...no...I have never been ordained as a minister! I am only a voice that tells the story of Jesus to whoever and where ever....

My husband and son are ordained! Now I sure must be a paradox to many....ha....

[paul kimrey]

On this thread It was requested that that I give scripture to back up my stance on women preachers and though it may appear that I am picking on girls that is not my intention.The position I take has been the majority position for 2,000 years all I ask is scripture that undeniably and unequivocally over turns Paul's letters to the Corinthians and to Timothy.When we tell someone the plan of Salvation and they claim Matthew 28:19 as their Salvation plan we can take them to the Word in Acts 2:38,Mark 16:16,Acts 10,Acts 19 and many other scriptures. No one does this who advocates women preachers, they just give knee jerk reactions and touchy feely emotions but i give you the Word of God.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

They ain't gonna answer that question. If they did honestly, they would see how hypocritical their stance is.

Ughhh, I've answered that question about 5x's now ??????????????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

to talk
Original Word: λαλέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: laleó
Phonetic Spelling: (lal-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I speak, say
Definition: (I talk, chatter in classical Greek, but in NT a more dignified word) I speak, say.

Word Origin
from lalos (talkative)
Definition
to talk
NASB Word Usage
made (1), proclaiming (1), said (6), say (5), saying (7), says (2), speak (95), speak forth (1), speaking (54), speaks (25), spoke (44), spoken (38), stating (1), talked (1), talking (5), tell (1), telling (1), things spoken (2), told (7), uttered (1), whispered* (1).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries
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preach, say, speak

A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. Utter words -- preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare lego.

see GREEK lego

ἐλάλει (elalei) − 20 Occurrences

ἐλαλήθη (elalēthē) − 2 Occurrences

ἐλάλησα (elalēsa) − 8 Occurrences

ἐλαλήσαμεν (elalēsamen) − 1 Occurrence

ἐλάλησαν (elalēsan) − 11 Occurrences

ἐλαλήσατε (elalēsate) − 1 Occurrence

ἐλάλησεν (elalēsen) − 31 Occurrences

ἐλαλοῦμεν (elaloumen) − 1 Occurrence

ἐλάλουν (elaloun) − 6 Occurrences

λαλεῖ (lalei) − 21 Occurrences

λαλεῖν (lalein) − 21 Occurrences

λαλεῖς (laleis) − 4 Occurrences

λαλεῖσθαι (laleisthai) − 1 Occurrence

λαλεῖτε (laleite) − 4 Occurrences

λαλείτω (laleitō) − 1 Occurrence

λαλείτωσαν (laleitōsan) − 1 Occurrence

λαλῇ (lalē) − 1 Occurrence

λαληθεὶς (lalētheis) − 1 Occurrence

λαληθείσης (lalētheisēs) − 1 Occurrence

λαληθέντος (lalēthentos) − 1 Occurrence

λαληθέντων (lalēthentōn) − 1 Occurrence

λαληθῆναι (lalēthēnai) − 2 Occurrences

λαληθήσεται (lalēthēsetai) − 4 Occurrences

λαληθησομένων (lalēthēsomenōn) − 1 Occurrence

λαλῆσαι (lalēsai) − 22 Occurrences

λαλήσαντες (lalēsantes) − 2 Occurrences

λαλήσας (lalēsas) − 2 Occurrences

λαλήσει (lalēsei) − 4 Occurrences

λαλήσῃ (lalēsē) − 2 Occurrences

λαλήσητε (lalēsēte) − 3 Occurrences

λαλήσομεν (lalēsomen) − 1 Occurrence

λαλήσουσιν (lalēsousin) − 2 Occurrences

λαλήσω (lalēsō) − 5 Occurrences

λαλοῦμεν (laloumen) − 10 Occurrences

λαλουμένη (laloumenē) − 1 Occurrence

λαλουμένοις (laloumenois) − 3 Occurrences

λαλούμενον (laloumenon) − 2 Occurrences

λαλοῦν (laloun) − 2 Occurrences

λαλοῦντα (lalounta) − 1 Occurrence

λαλοῦντας (lalountas) − 1 Occurrence

λαλοῦντες (lalountes) − 7 Occurrences

λαλοῦντι (lalounti) − 2 Occurrences

λαλοῦντος (lalountos) − 17 Occurrences

λαλούντων (lalountōn) − 5 Occurrences

λαλοῦσαι (lalousai) − 1 Occurrence

λαλοῦσαν (lalousan) − 1 Occurrence

λαλούσης (lalousēs) − 1 Occurrence

λαλοῦσιν (lalousin) − 2 Occurrences

λαλῶ (lalō) − 19 Occurrences

λαλῶν (lalōn) − 16 Occurrences

λαλῶσιν (lalōsin) − 1 Occurrence

λελάληκα (lelalēka) − 11 Occurrences

λελάληκεν (lelalēken) − 2 Occurrences

λελαλημένοις (lelalēmenois) − 1 Occurrence

λελάληταί (lelalētai) − 1 Occurrence



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All of this just to confirm what I've already said about 10x's now?? The word "Speak/Lal-eh-o" equally means "preach," which is is precisely what Paul forbade women to do "when you come together". It's just unreal to me how someone cannot see this!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If Paul was saying a woman could not preach he was also saying she could not talk...

He was quoting a letter he received and then answered that letter...he was not giving a new commandment or quoting from the law of the Bible.

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge the things I write unto you ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD."

I have [& you even included it in your list above!] demonstrated ad nauseum that this word is also translated as "preach"....which Paul says is a "shame/disgrace,"...you know, the same word he used to condemn women who cut their hair!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Mark 16 when it says they shall speak...talk in new tongues uses tthe same word..so if Paul meant a woman could not speak in church then Jesus w=meant a woman could not talk in tongues...

Do you not fear to tamper w/ the Word of God like this? Respectfully, this is just plain silly. We've explained I Cor. 14 until we could pass out! Yous imply do not WANT to believe the biblical facts. I do not mean this disrespecfully at all......

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Speak - laleo, lal-eh'-o, Greek 2980; a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. utter words :- PREACH, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare Greek 3004 (lego)

My point precisely!!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

so the real meaning is to utter a voice...the word preaching is never used ...so if the woman is never to utter a voice then she must be in silence....complete silence....

A woman's place is whereever God needs her at any given moment of time...


On the foreign field especially in years gone by women missionaries out numbered the men...That is a proven fact. However those that REALLY know me know I am not pushing for women to push men aside and I sure detest speaking in front of a crowd but God does use women and they most certainly can give or share a word from the Lord.

Thank God for women in both Testaments under the severe Talmudic thinkings that rose above it all and gave the word of God at some of the most terrible times.

By saying that does not mean there were not men of God...NO woman of God would ever deminish a man of God...Gifts make room for themselves...Wise men will be alble to know when God is speaking through a woman...

You just included the definition "PREACH," then turn right around & say "the word preaching is never used"?????? I've already told you about 15x's now that this word is literally translated as "preach" 6x's!

Honestly, this is amazing.......

[El Predicador]

Sticking to the NT, there is plenty of precedent for a prophetess.

Prophesy away Sis A

(HUG)