Tithing…Is it a command?

[Sean]

Man does not instinctively pay taxes or tithe. It is not in our nature, Holy Ghost or no Holy Ghost.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

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Man does not instinctively pay taxes or tithe. It is not in our nature, Holy Ghost or no Holy Ghost.

Was Abraham COMMANDED to give tithes? Or was he a prophet?

The problem with many professing believers today, is they spend too much
time studying diverse doctrines and reading dictionaries instead of listening
to the Holy Spirit.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to
be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2.Tim 215)

Brother Villa

[Sean]

Abraham was involved in a one time, customary land tax.

Not a cent of his personal possessions were ever tithed by Abraham, but only the spoils of war.

Hey, why dont the Abraham Tither teachers teach on a war tithe?

[Tithesmeister]

[QUOTE=thephnxman;1515629]His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Sean

Man does not instinctively pay taxes or tithe. It is not in our nature, Holy Ghost or no Holy Ghost.

Was Abraham COMMANDED to give tithes? Or was he a prophet?

The problem with many professing believers today, is they spend too much
time studying diverse doctrines and reading dictionaries instead of listening
to the Holy Spirit.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to
be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2.Tim 215)

Brother Villa

The truth of the matter is that (according to the information in the Bible), we do not know why Abraham tithed to Melchizedek. Whatever we teach from the Bible, we should be truthful and thorough about it. The same applies to Jacob. I hear it said a lot (you even said it), that Jacob tithed. Show me where he did. I know of scripture where he promised to, IF god met certain conditions. I am unaware of the Bible ever confirming that he did so.

Concerning Abraham, there is a Biblical fact that is seldom mentioned. He promised God that he would not keep any of the spoils for himself. Why is this not expounded on by they who teach that we should tithe because Abraham (Abram) did? If we are to tithe, because Abram did so, and we should follow his example, why is it not taught that we should find some wicked, sinful, homosexual person of power to give nine tithes to. This would follow the example of Abram.

There is never a hint that God told Abram to tithe. There is never a hint that Jacob actually tithed. There is never a hint that anyone in the Bible ever tithed money, including Abram, Jacob, the Hebrews, or anybody else. To pretend that there is, is speculation. To say that there is, is deception.

[thephnxman]

is NAME is Jesus!

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!
The truth of the matter is that (according to the information in the Bible), (a) we do not know why Abraham tithed
to Melchizedek. (b) Whatever we teach from the Bible, we should be truthful and thorough about it. The same applies
to Jacob. I hear it said a lot (you even said it), (c) that Jacob tithed. Show me where he did. I know of scripture
where he promised to, IF god met certain conditions. I am unaware of the Bible ever confirming that he did so.
Concerning Abraham, there is a Biblical fact that is seldom mentioned. He promised God that he would not
keep any of the spoils for himself. (d) Why is this not expounded on by they who teach that we should tithe because
Abraham (Abram) did? If we are to tithe, because Abram did so, and we should follow his example, why is it
not taught that (e) we should find some wicked, sinful, homosexual person of power to give nine tithes to. This
would follow the example of Abram.
(f) There is never a hint that God told Abram to tithe. There is never a hint that Jacob actually tithed. There is never a
hint that anyone in the Bible ever tithed money, including Abram, Jacob, the Hebrews, or anybody else. (g) To pretend
that there is, is speculation. To say that there is, is deception.

You said a mouthful: let me see...

(a) No reason given: but he is a prophet;
(b) no question about it, as much as we can with the info at hand;
(c) I believe Jacob tithed because he PROMISED to tithe;
(d) I cannot speak for anyone else;
(e) please refresh my memory on tithing to ungodly persons;
(f) I said this from the beginning: but Abraham IS a prophet;
(g) produce/products traded in lieu of today's currency (?)

If tithing is not for you, don't tithe: but admit that's only YOUR belief.

Brother Villa

[Tithesmeister]

[QUOTE=thephnxman;1515775]is NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You said a mouthful: let me see...

(a) No reason given: but he is a prophet;
(b) no question about it, as much as we can with the info at hand;
(c) I believe Jacob tithed because he PROMISED to tithe;
(d) I cannot speak for anyone else;
(e) please refresh my memory on tithing to ungodly persons;
(f) I said this from the beginning: but Abraham IS a prophet;
(g) produce/products traded in lieu of today's currency (?)

If tithing is not for you, don't tithe: but admit that's only YOUR belief.

Brother Villa

In response to refreshing your memory on tithing to ungodly persons, you make my point better than I ever could.

Abram gave Melchizedek one tenth of the spoils of war, right?

He further promised God that he would not keep anything of the spoils, (from a thread even to a shoe latchet, if memory serves me), right?

Then he turns around and gives the rest of it to the king of Sodom, right?
This rest of the spoils was nine tithes, right?
The whole of the spoils, less the tenth that he gave Melchizedek, leaves nine tithes (tenths), right?
So he tithed nine times to the king of Sodom, what he tithed to King Melchizedek, but nobody ever mentions it because they never thought of it.

Right?????

[Tithesmeister]

[QUOTE=thephnxman;1515775]is NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You said a mouthful: let me see...

(a) No reason given: but he is a prophet;
(b) no question about it, as much as we can with the info at hand;
(c) I believe Jacob tithed because he PROMISED to tithe;
(d) I cannot speak for anyone else;
(e) please refresh my memory on tithing to ungodly persons;
(f) I said this from the beginning: but Abraham IS a prophet;
(g) produce/products traded in lieu of today's currency (?)

If tithing is not for you, don't tithe: but admit that's only YOUR belief.

Brother Villa

In response to C:

Jacob was fleeing for his life because he had deceived (lied to), his father and told him, (kind of like a promise) that he was Esau. Yet you believe he tithed because he PROMISED to? His very name meant deceiver!

But, okay. I'm just saying.

[Tithesmeister]

[QUOTE=thephnxman;1515775]is NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You said a mouthful: let me see...

(a) No reason given: but he is a prophet;
(b) no question about it, as much as we can with the info at hand;
(c) I believe Jacob tithed because he PROMISED to tithe;
(d) I cannot speak for anyone else;
(e) please refresh my memory on tithing to ungodly persons;
(f) I said this from the beginning: but Abraham IS a prophet;
(g) produce/products traded in lieu of today's currency (?)

If tithing is not for you, don't tithe: but admit that's only YOUR belief.

Brother Villa

You keep bringing up that Abraham was a prophet and I'm not sure what significance this has in relation to tithing. Did Abraham prophesy about tithing?

I'm not trying to be hard on you. I'm just trying to render the truth from the legend. I do appreciate the dialogue.

[Tithesmeister]

[QUOTE=thephnxman;1515775]is NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You said a mouthful: let me see...

(a) No reason given: but he is a prophet;
(b) no question about it, as much as we can with the info at hand;
(c) I believe Jacob tithed because he PROMISED to tithe;
(d) I cannot speak for anyone else;
(e) please refresh my memory on tithing to ungodly persons;
(f) I said this from the beginning: but Abraham IS a prophet;
(g) produce/products traded in lieu of today's currency (?)

If tithing is not for you, don't tithe: but admit that's only YOUR belief.

Brother Villa

I'm not sure what you're asking above about "produce/products" can you clarify?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

(a) In response to refreshing your memory on tithing to ungodly persons, you make my point better than I ever could.
(b) Abram gave Melchizedek one tenth of the spoils of war, right?
(c) He further promised God that he would not keep anything of the spoils, (from a thread even to a shoe latchet,
if memory serves me), right?
(d) Then he turns around and gives the rest of it to the king of Sodom, right?
(e) This rest of the spoils was nine tithes, right?
(f) The whole of the spoils, less the tenth that he gave Melchizedek, leaves nine tithes (tenths), right?
(g) So he tithed nine times to the king of Sodom, what he tithed to King Melchizedek,
(h) but nobody ever mentions it because they never thought of it. Right?????

Beloved, I appreciate your sincerity.

(a) Glad to help in some small way;
(b) Abram didn’t give, he tithed to Melchizedek: a spiritual connotation;
(c) Abram kept his promise to God;
(d) Abram returned 90% of the spoils to the king, after being offered all;
(e) the rest of the spoils equal 90%, NOT tithes;
(f) There is no such thing: 9X’s does not equate to 9 “tithes”;
(g) Abram NEVER tithed to the king: he returned the kings own spoils;
(h) no one ever thought about it the way you did.

Brother Villa