Not a sarcastic question. What is your basis for deeming punishment as excessive?
Fair question
Dave my basis is being involved in literally thousands of criminal cases.
If your question was what is excessive: Life in prison for multiple convictions of drug USE. Once again use not dealing. (And never once any attempt at rehab, not even ordering NA meetings in jail)
I once had two cases in the same week. One boy sold powered sugar, the other told a police officer he wanted to sell him forty kilos. In Texas the first is sale of a simulated substance punishable by a maximum of two years, but mandatory probation on first offense. The other considered constructive delivery was punishable by up to life in prison even though the state never proved (nor had to) that any drugs actually existed! But wasn't it virtually the same crime?
In California it is possible to get life in prison for a series of bad checks.
And yes on the other end there are ridiculously light sentences as well.
NB: In another thread, I once said something like "God's hands are our hands". I don't think that should apply here - let God take care of it directly!
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
If you are speaking specifically of posthumous death penalty cases I believe there are 24 to date which have been fully exonerated. And at least one that I am aware of was even posthumously pardoned.
Considering that this counts only those who were proven innocent, there must be many more that were never proven, but were nonetheless innocent. We will never know how many.
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Nope, I've never been to prison. I do have firends (when I was in the Army National Guard) that were prison guards. They do get to watch movies, they do get an education and they even get to excersize when they want to. In fact I have a cousin that spent three years in a prison. The information that I recieved is from those that have direct contact with the prison system.
I believe you may be expanding the argument slightly to include all prisoners. You know in old England there were two types of crimes misdemeanors and felonies much like we have today. The difference was death was the only punishment for felonies. It did not matter if it were rape, robbery, or merely pouching one of the king's deer.
As far as them being treated well, they are not. Perhaps a tour or two in a real prison ministry would change the view which is acquired by watching tele er sorry, by watching videos.
Also as a "christian" nation (which I would maintain we no longer are but that would be a topic for a different thread) are you honestly proposing that rehabilitation should be totally foregone??
Without vocational training, counseling, and the such how could you possibly hope that there would not be repeat offense??
Without being foolishly naive on the one hand, is it impossible to show love on the other?
I'm all for showing love, and you are making some good points. I have nothing against our prison system, I just do not understand why thier is no evedence of the so called rehab that these prisoners fail to exhibit with a track record that keeps growing.
Sin is sin, there are no levels to sin. Man places a level to sin, but God just calls all sin wicked. Brother Eastman, if the thief never repented, would he have been anymore less lost than a murderer?
What is your point? I beleive in the death penalty for those that take someone elses life (this is what the argument is about for me) The thief paid a penalty for death in a system that was in another era. ?????????
NB: In another thread, I once said something like "God's hands are our hands". I don't think that should apply here - let God take care of it directly!
Considering that this counts only those who were proven innocent, there must be many more that were never proven, but were nonetheless innocent. We will never know how many.
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