Is Acts 2:38 your god?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Let me address this.

First, Jeff Arnold made a stupid remark when he stated that "Many in the movement do not know God". Does he have statistics on this?? Has he got a line to God where God has told him this? JA is real good at being a "shock jock" type preacher, IMHO.

His statement "You are married to doctrine and have divorced yourself from Deity" is another "Shock Jock" type comment. If examined, this is as ignorant a statement as the first one. The Word, which is exalted even above the name of Jesus, is profitable for DOCTRINE. We only know God by knowing his DOCTRINE.

Paul must have thought DOCTRINE was pretty important when he stated to Timothy:

1Ti 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

and

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

or his warning to those that did not want DOCTRINE.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


John sums it up nicely when he says:

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:


Lets face the facts that God places a great emphasis upon doctrine, because it is by doctrine that we can know Christ. Evidentially, JA does not have that same emphesis.

thanks, Matt.

I thought about doing this, but have just about gotten jaded with trying to convince former Apostolics that doctrine matters.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Not my point at all.

Okay. So then you believe that a person can know today ... right now ..... that they are ready for heaven and that if they died or the rapture took place they would spend eternity with the Lord???

I ask because I've known people in our apostolic churches who live with no assurance of salvation or heaven even though they're living for God faithfully and consistently. I think this is very very sad and the result of wrong teaching somewhere along the way or else they simply haven't understood what they were taught if they were taught correctly.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

thanks, Matt.

I thought about doing this, but have just about gotten jaded with trying to convince former Apostolics that doctrine matters.

And some of us are just as 'jaded' trying to convince you that we never said 'doctrine doesn't matter'.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Anyone who thinks like this appears to be living in fear. I choose to fear not concerning my salvation for I am comforted by the LORD.


"But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." (1 John)



"But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid." (Jeremiah 46)

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." (Romans 8)

"And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love." (Romans 8)

"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1)

Your making me afraid by putting "fear" in red.....



My Brother, appearances can be deceiving..........




Perfect Love comes with muturity and understanding. There was a time I was afraid of my Dad spanking me. That fear helped me act correctly, until I could come to understand the good and loving reasons to act appropriately. As I grew I understood what my Dad was trying to teach me and began to obey out of love and respect rather than fear.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Okay. So then you believe that a person can know today ... right now ..... that they are ready for heaven and that if they died or the rapture took place they would spend eternity with the Lord???

I ask because I've known people in our apostolic churches who live with no assurance of salvation or heaven even though they're living for God faithfully and consistently. I think this is very very sad and the result of wrong teaching somewhere along the way or else they simply haven't understood what they were taught if they were taught correctly.

Yes we have the assurance of the earnest of our inheritance, but like the prodigal son we can squander it if we so desire.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Yes we have the assurance of the earnest of our inheritance, but like the prodigal son we can squander it if we so desire.

No question that we can forfeit our salvation. Absolutely we can!!!

But do you know with full assurance that if the rapture took place tonight or if you died tonight that you will spend eternity with Christ? If you do - great!

Many don't. Sad.

Originally Posted by Felicity

But do you know with full assurance that if the rapture took place tonight or if you died tonight that you will spend eternity with Christ? If you do - great!

Many don't. Sad.

You mean our salvation doesn't teeter on the head of a pin?

I can finally live my life without being afraid of getting struck by lightning for making one false move?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

No question that we can forfeit our salvation. Absolutely we can!!!

But do you know with full assurance that if the rapture took place tonight or if you died tonight that you will spend eternity with Christ? If you do - great!

Many don't. Sad.

So many don'ts, people are scared and walk on egg shells. It creates anxiety.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Okay. So then you believe that a person can know today ... right now ..... that they are ready for heaven and that if they died or the rapture took place they would spend eternity with the Lord???

I ask because I've known people in our apostolic churches who live with no assurance of salvation or heaven even though they're living for God faithfully and consistently. I think this is very very sad and the result of wrong teaching somewhere along the way or else they simply haven't understood what they were taught if they were taught correctly.

I do not believe in the false doctrine of unconditional eternal security.
I do not believe you lose the Holy Ghost every time you fail.
I do believe our assurance lies in Jesus Christ, and his Mercy and Power.

Originally Posted by Berkeley

So many don'ts, people are scared and walk on egg shells. It creates anxiety.

and anxiety creates sickness...