Stupid Youth

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Ferd

please note the large font.

Let me add this....

The article said...

While he acknowledged our concerns, he did not commit to ending this practice.

Then 8 days later VOILA.... They introduce an ordinance that will prohibit these guns (apparently on your own property).

Can we say grudge legislation?
Can we say abuse of power?

Further down in the article we read...

Madison Ald. Brenda Konkel speculates that this incident prompted interest in a facsimile gun ban: "So, is that what this is about?

This looks like a pretty clear cut case of "I'll show you"

Originally Posted by Malvaro

I agree 100% Good post....

So, what happens when a bunch of other kids that don't belong to that church get some adult to take them over to that church's parking lot with real guns, trench coats and gas masks (in preparation for a home invasion perhaps)? Are the police supposed to just ignore them now that they know there is a group of kids playing war games with an adult supervising them?

Doesn't the UPC encourage pacifism with regard to military service and doesn't the UPC prohibit engaging in secular amusements? If so, then isn't it hypocritical for UPC kids to be playing war games on church property.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Chan

So, what happens when a bunch of other kids that don't belong to that church get some adult to take them over to that church's parking lot with real guns, trench coats and gas masks (in preparation for a home invasion perhaps)? Are the police supposed to just ignore them now that they know there is a group of kids playing war games with an adult supervising them?

Doesn't the UPC encourage pacifism with regard to military service and doesn't the UPC prohibit engaging in secular amusements? If so, then isn't it hypocritical for UPC kids to be playing war games on church property.

They would be trespassing.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Ferd

...which makes the interference by both the police and the city council even more egregious!


They KNOW these kids will be AT THIS LOCATION playing with air guns (which is legal in the United States until the gestapo comes and takes away our kids toys)

There is NO reason what so ever for this harassment! Furthermore, according to the article, neither the police nor the new ordinance apply to this situation as it is private property and thus exempt!

HERE HERE! Well said!

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Malvaro, no one is questioning the action of the police to question. that was well within their responsibility.

it was when the police requested they no longer play on their own private property in AMERICA that the action becomes questionable.

I partially agree with you; perhaps the officer had seen other "air gun" related accidents and gave the request based on a) the low visibility and b) the fact that they would be eventually shooting at each other!?!? You ever heard someone say, "Be careful or you might shoot someone's eye out"? They say that because it's actually happened to someone, ironically enough....

If a fireman asked you to leave a burning building, would you be stubborn enough not to because it's your right to decide what you can do on "your property"?

I'm being sarcastic, but obviously the police felt someone might get hurt.... they were almost as obligated to give that recommendation for safety as much as they were to investigate....

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

They would be trespassing.

Yes, they would. But unless the police know which kids are supposed to be there and which adult is supposed to be supervising them, it becomes a situation where the police ignore any group of kids on that property late at night wearing dark clothes and gas masks and carrying guns.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, they would. But unless the police know which kids are supposed to be there and which adult is supposed to be supervising them, it becomes a situation where the police ignore any group of kids on that property late at night wearing dark clothes and gas masks and carrying guns.

Once any verification they deem necessary has been done then no other action should be required.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Once any verification they deem necessary has been done then no other action should be required.

Well, there are two other questions they should ask:

Doesn't the UPC encourage pacifism with regard to military service and doesn't the UPC prohibit engaging in secular amusements? If so, then isn't it hypocritical for UPC kids to be playing war games on church property?

Originally Posted by Malvaro

I partially agree with you; perhaps the officer had seen other "air gun" related accidents and gave the request based on a) the low visibility and b) the fact that they would be eventually shooting at each other!?!? You ever heard someone say, "Be careful or you might shoot someone's eye out"? They say that because it's actually happened to someone, ironically enough....

If a fireman asked you to leave a burning building, would you be stubborn enough not to because it's your right to decide what you can do on "your property"?

I'm being sarcastic, but obviously the police felt someone might get hurt.... they were almost as obligated to give that recommendation for safety as much as they were to investigate....

Or maybe they should play their war games in the daytime instead of the middle of the night.

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by Chan

So, what happens when a bunch of other kids that don't belong to that church get some adult to take them over to that church's parking lot with real guns, trench coats and gas masks (in preparation for a home invasion perhaps)? Are the police supposed to just ignore them now that they know there is a group of kids playing war games with an adult supervising them?

Doesn't the UPC encourage pacifism with regard to military service and doesn't the UPC prohibit engaging in secular amusements? If so, then isn't it hypocritical for UPC kids to be playing war games on church property.

I'd prefer the police to stop by again sometime and make sure that there is still adult supervision.... if the police ignored them in the future, a real danger could potentially be missed....

why don't you call up the senior pastor of that church and ask him hehehe