The Manchild Ministry 45 Minutes

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Bowas

I guess it was America that saved the Israel from the Egyptians.
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Exo 19:4.. Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself...

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I can honestly say I’ve never heard that before.

Can you tell me if you have the Holy Ghost?

Yes, I have it...it is mine. And you have it...it is yours.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Yes, I have it...it is mine. And you have it...it is yours.

Sean, we don't own the Holy Ghost.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

E I enjoyed reading your posts. Sometimes honestly something like a statement may jump out at me that causes me to respond prematurely. Sorry if I misunderstood. It has been long day for me also. I will try to do better tomorrow.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

E I enjoyed reading your posts. Sometimes honestly something like a statement may jump out at me that causes me to respond prematurely. Sorry if I misunderstood. It has been long day for me also. I will try to do better tomorrow.

It's all good. I apologise for the rather short remarks I made. It's been a long day for me too.

We do continue to pray for you and the church family in Tennessee.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Your carnal man reads the Bible, not your Holy Ghost. Your Holy Ghost just helps you understand it better.

Clarification: The Holy Ghost is a gift from God in our personal possession. It will never, throughout eternity, leave us or forsake us. It is free and forever. It is ours(indwelling us). I hope others realize that too.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You equate "physical" with "natural". The Bible does not. You are judging things from a non Biblical perspective. The church is a people. Those people are physical people. Yet the church is spiritual. Those people are spiritual, according to the Bible. Therefore, it is entirely Biblical (and thus spiritual) to acknowledge that things can be both spiritual and physical at the same time with no conflict or contradiction.

It is spiritual to be submit one's ideas to the Word of God. It is CARNAL and NATURAL to resist and reject the teachings and statements of God's Word. A lot of people think they are spiritually minded but in reality they are carnally minded. Because they do not submit their thoughts to the Word, but instead persist in worldly nonBiblical thinking.

And it is nonBiblical and worldly to claim that "spiritual must be opposite to physical". That is in fact paganism. It is at the root of all pagan philosophies and religions. And it is contrary to God's Revealed Truth contained in and spelled out by His Word.

1 Corinthians 15:44 KJVS
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Brother there not the same. There is a difference.

1 Corinthians 15:50 KJVS
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The natural physical man CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God. However, the SPIRITUAL man can inherit the Kingdom, why? Because its a spiritual kingdom.

There would be no argument if this was under old covenant, yet, the new Covenant brought the fulfillment God minded from the beginning.

2 Corinthians 5:6 KJVS
[6] Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

If I’m wrong in my commentary, please correct. Yet, Paul is saying while I’m in the natural, physical man, NOT CARNAL. I am absent from the Lord, how is that? What is causing this absence? It’s the physical, natural man. Remember, flesh and blood cannot inherit, what the spiritual man can.

2 Corinthians 5:8 KJVS
[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

In order to be present with the Lord, we need to be absent from the natural, physical man. Now, one can say that these scriptures are referring to, body of sin, and thats a fair argument. Yet, in my opinion it is 2 fold, its like an onion, we’re peeling back the layers.

And all I’ve stated could be summed up in one question.

When God saved you through the experience of Acts 2:38, WHO is saved, the Natural man, or the Spiritual man?

[Amanah]

Oh death where is thy sting, oh grave where is thy victory?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The doctrine that there are two different Israels, one being the old testament people descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the other being a new testament religious organisation, is the basis for such belief. It is inherently trinitarian, as you can see.

It really reveals that modern Christendom - including much of modern oneness Pentecostalism - is a non Biblical non-monotheistic religious movement. Even those who claim to be staunch monotheists reveal their claim is not entirely true, because in PRACTICE they have one God in the old testament with a people and a religion, and ANOTHER God in the new testament with a ANOTHER people and ANOTHER religion.

God is ONE. His Plan has been the same from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus did not come to undo everything God did before, scrapping it all, and starting afresh with some wholly new thing, going in a wholly new direction. Yet, that is what modern Christendom believes. It's no different than the gnostics who claimed the God of the old testament was the demiurge and Jesus came to undo everything Jehovah had done.

Might as well completely tear out 3/4ths of the Bible because it is now irrelevent except for flannelgraph lessons for Sunday School children's entertainment.

I don't think you truly understand what Oneness Pentecostalism believes if what you are describing is what you think they believe.

Oneness Pentecostalism in general, including most minister in the UPCI, don't believe in dispensationalism, but don't believe in the total replacement theology
either.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I don't think you truly understand what Oneness Pentecostalism believes if what you are describing is what you think they believe.

Oneness Pentecostalism in general, including most minister in the UPCI, don't believe in dispensationalism, but don't believe in the total replacement theology
either.

Are they mostly post trib futurists?