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Evang.Benincasa · #**121** 11-19-2020, 08:53 AM

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There is indeed a spiritual warfare for Christians. However, that does not negate the fact that evil men must be put down at times by physical force. If we take this non-interventionist stance as Christians to such extremes, we should not stop people breaking into our homes who are trying to rob or harm our families. After all, "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal," right?

Brother did you look at my video on Niccolo Machiavelli and Christianity? What were your thoughts on the problems which are raised?

Evang.Benincasa · #**122** 11-19-2020, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I'll see if I can find them. I'm guessing that was that huge epic sized thread with Aquila the Bernout back in the way back when?

Yes

Evang.Benincasa · #**123** 11-19-2020, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Was it something like this?

Esaias · #**124** 11-19-2020, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

There is indeed a spiritual warfare for Christians. However, that does not negate the fact that evil men must be put down at times by physical force. If we take this non-interventionist stance as Christians to such extremes, we should not stop people breaking into our homes who are trying to rob or harm our families. After all, "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal," right?

I'm not sure if you actually read what I posted, because it seems as if you are suggesting that I was saying that Christians must take a "non interventionist stance". Which is not at all what I was saying. I am saying (and have been for years) that Christians need to take a Kingdom stance of dominion over our enemies, and that doing so requires multiple layers and levels of action.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, meaning that the mechanisms of apostolic evangelism are not mere physical tools (like swords and shields) but are Divinely given and appointed for the express purpose of changing society.

This whole subject has literally NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "defending your home against thieves trying to break in." It has everything to do with answering the question "What kind of society shall we be, and what kind of government shall we have? Man's government? Or God's?"

In order to advance the kingdom of God though we have to start with the foundations. Simply chanting "Rah rah Trump! Four more years!" isn't going to cut it. Even if we do it while marching in the street armed to the teeth.

With God on our side, nothing can stop us. With God NOT on our side, nothing can help us. And God does not promise to side with those who only give Him lip service but don't actually LIVE by every word of God, nor does He promise to be on the side of those who put their trust in "horses and chariots" instead of the Most High God.

Evang.Benincasa · #**125** 11-19-2020, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I'm not sure if you actually read what I posted, because it seems as if you are suggesting that I was saying that Christians must take a "non interventionist stance". Which is not at all what I was saying. I am saying (and have been for years) that Christians need to take a Kingdom stance of dominion over our enemies, and that doing so requires multiple layers and levels of action.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, meaning that the mechanisms of apostolic evangelism are not mere physical tools (like swords and shields) but are Divinely given and appointed for the express purpose of changing society.

This whole subject has literally NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "defending your home against thieves trying to break in." It has everything to do with answering the question "What kind of society shall we be, and what kind of government shall we have? Man's government? Or God's?"

In order to advance the kingdom of God though we have to start with the foundations. Simply chanting "Rah rah Trump! Four more years!" isn't going to cut it. Even if we do it while marching in the street armed to the teeth.

With God on our side, nothing can stop us. With God NOT on our side, nothing can help us. And God does not promise to side with those who only give Him lip service but don't actually LIVE by every word of God, nor does He promise to be on the side of those who put their trust in "horses and chariots" instead of the Most High God.

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coksiw · #**126** 11-19-2020, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I'm not sure if you actually read what I posted, because it seems as if you are suggesting that I was saying that Christians must take a "non interventionist stance". Which is not at all what I was saying. I am saying (and have been for years) that Christians need to take a Kingdom stance of dominion over our enemies, and that doing so requires multiple layers and levels of action.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, meaning that the mechanisms of apostolic evangelism are not mere physical tools (like swords and shields) but are Divinely given and appointed for the express purpose of changing society.

This whole subject has literally NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "defending your home against thieves trying to break in." It has everything to do with answering the question "What kind of society shall we be, and what kind of government shall we have? Man's government? Or God's?"

In order to advance the kingdom of God though we have to start with the foundations. Simply chanting "Rah rah Trump! Four more years!" isn't going to cut it. Even if we do it while marching in the street armed to the teeth.

With God on our side, nothing can stop us. With God NOT on our side, nothing can help us. And God does not promise to side with those who only give Him lip service but don't actually LIVE by every word of God, nor does He promise to be on the side of those who put their trust in "horses and chariots" instead of the Most High God.

What is the difference between your point of view and the doctrine of Social Gospel?

Esaias · #**127** 11-19-2020, 02:47 PM

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What is the difference between your point of view and the doctrine of Social Gospel?

What is the "doctrine of social gospel"?

Whenever I hear about "social gospel" I am thinking of some liberal Marxist "social justice warrior" progressive (aka communist) subversion change agent agenda. If THAT is what you mean by "doctrine of social gospel" then I'd say the differences are huge.

The point of view I advocate for is the point of view expressed all throughout the Bible, and summed up by Jesus as "man shall live by every word of God."

diakonos · #**128** 11-19-2020, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

What is the "doctrine of social gospel"?

Whenever I hear about "social gospel" I am thinking of some liberal Marxist "social justice warrior" progressive (aka communist) subversion change agent agenda. If THAT is what you mean by "doctrine of social gospel" then I'd say the differences are huge.

The point of view I advocate for is the point of view expressed all throughout the Bible, and summed up by Jesus as "man shall live by every word of God."

I at a loss as to why you were asked that.

Evang.Benincasa · #**129** 11-19-2020, 03:26 PM

Social Gospel is just applying Christian ethics to the culture around us.

Originalist · #**130** 11-20-2020, 07:00 AM

Let me get this thread back on track.

It will take force of arms for this country to maintain a republican form of government free from communism. That is a fact. Yes, many communists will have to be arrested, incapacitated or killed in order for the Constitution to endure. There is no way around it. No co-existence with this cancer is possible. Whether Christians should be involved in such a defensive effort is another matter left up to one's own conscience.