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Old 06-03-2018, 02:02 PM
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The Apostle John had no comprehension about what ancient Greek philosophers believed. He was teaching about something that was WITH GOD in the OT and simultaneously WAS GOD.

The word "logo" is from logos. What is a logo?

Think about a business. They make a little emblem or "picture" they put on documents or advertisements. When people see THE LOGO they think about the business.

The logo is not the business but it REPRESENTS the business.

The logo that was with God was not God in omnipresence but God in {visible} expression. His REPRESENTATION to the Universe.

The last thing the Spirit was trying to teach the Church was Greek philosophy.

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So I must say I feel sorry for the followers of Elder Treece. How could anyone listen to or read all of that? Hardly any of it seems to connect people to what John was talking about. It seems like a maze of trying to figure out the Bible through mens ideas rather than studying the writings of the Apostles and Prophets.

I would agree with the name of the thread.

The Most Complicated Explanation Of The Godhead Ever!

Of the 3 videos by the plan/thought teachers nothing seems to have an answer. It seems to lead us to nowhere. A newborn Christian should not have to be subjected to all that philosophy to be able to understand one Bible verse.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and God was the word. John 1:1

I admit the teaching of the Godhead is VERY DEEP. The deepest subject in the Universe. If we could COMPLETELY understand the truth of God we would be as wise as he.

It grieves my spirit to hear the majestic and glorious LOGOS reduced down to mere "thought" or "plan". Its like taking the heart out of the Old Testament.

Think of the Logos like this.

The omnipresent Spirit forms an image for some of his eternal life to dwell in. This form is HIS SPOKESMEN. His expressed word.

When the omnipresent Spirit spoke to angels or men his words came out of the Spirit into the Logos and then to their intended audience whoever it may be.
The audience was a Hellenized Judean and Roman world which knew the language far greater than you or I.
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Genesis 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

This is just one, but there are many more. The Angel is clearly not just speaking for the Lord, but is the Lord Himself.
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The audience was a Hellenized Judean and Roman world which knew the language far greater than you or I.
What percent of them could read? What percent of them would have listened to Elder Treece and said "Wow that was simple! Why didn't I see that before?"
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Genesis 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

This is just one, but there are many more. The Angel is clearly not just speaking for the Lord, but is the Lord Himself.
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What percent of them could read? What percent of them would have listened to Elder Treece and said "Wow that was simple! Why didn't I see that before?"
I'll make this as simple a I can. We have ancient documents which are a library of scrolls. We call this entire collection the Bible. Ashurbanipal had a huge library, Timgad, the royal library of Antioch, Library of Pergamum, the library of Aksum, and the library of Alexandria. I personally, believe that there was more literacy in the ancient world then there is currently in the modern world. Especially among the Judeans, Greeks, and Romans, who prided themselves as "civilized."

As far as Elder Marvin Treece, I would rather keep my opinion to myself. I believe you know me long enough to figure out what that means.
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Otherwise you have a son and a father in heaven at the same time, and that is not oneness doctrine by any means.
What?

Is God the Father in heaven? Yes.

Is the son of God in heaven? Yes.

Is that "Oneness"? Yes.

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What?

Is God the Father in heaven? Yes.

Is the son of God in heaven? Yes.

Is that "Oneness"? Yes.

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What an awesome point!
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What an awesome point!
You guys believe in eternal sonship?
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You guys believe in eternal sonship?
No. Do you believe there is a Father and Son in Heaven?
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Can someone demonstrate FROM THE BIBLE where the word "logos" is used unequivocally to mean somebody's plan or intention, APART FROM any reference to speech, utterance, expression of thought, dialogue, discussion, etc?
1Peter 3:15 "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear."

Acts 10:29 "Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?"

Luke 1:4 "That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed."

Acts 18:14 "And when Paul was now about to open his mouth, Gallio said unto the Jews, If it were a matter of wrong or wicked lewdness, O ye Jews, reason would that I should bear with you"

Matthew 5:32 "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Acts 8:20-21 "But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. [21] Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God."

Acts 15:5-6 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. [6] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter."

Acts 19:38 "Wherefore if Demetrius, and the craftsmen which are with him, have a matter against any man, the law is open, and there are deputies: let them implead one another."

Acts 10:29 "Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?"

Hebrews 4:13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."

Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

While only the bold doctrine is the word "logos"

Romans 9:28 "For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth."

2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

Philippians 4:17 "Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account."

Colossians 2:22-23 "Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? [23] Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."

2 Thessalonians 2:16-17 "Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, [17] Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work."

James 1:21 "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

These are all I can find for now. But that is a lot, that are "APART FROM any reference to speech, utterance, dialogue, discussion, etc?" I erased expression of thought because that's a catch all. This is what is truthfully being discussed.
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