will you know your loved ones in heaven

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I cannot agree. God created man immortal and said he'd die if he sinned. Death came by sin. He never qualified what kind of death.

"...let us make man in our IMAGE, after our likeness,,,:

I also believe that God created man immortal. I believe that the scriptures teach that the
immortal part of man is NOT the body that was formed from the dust of the ground: for
all of that shall pass away, and a new tabernacle has been prepared for man.

But let me try to understand your words. You seem to believe that this world will abide
forever? And this universe? You believe that there WILL NOT be a "...new heaven and
a new earth?"

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth
were passed away; and there was no more sea."

[Aquila]

I believe God will restore all of creation to it's Pre-Edenic beauty. That includes man. An entire creation resurrected from death, glorified.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"...let us make man in our IMAGE, after our likeness,,,:

I also believe that God created man immortal. I believe that the scriptures teach that the
immortal part of man is NOT the body that was formed from the dust of the ground: for
all of that shall pass away, and a new tabernacle has been prepared for man.

But let me try to understand your words. You seem to believe that this world will abide
forever? And this universe? You believe that there WILL NOT be a "...new heaven and
a new earth?"

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth
were passed away; and there was no more sea."

All of man was immortal, that's why salvation returns us to what Adam lost and entails an immortalized body in the resurrection to complete the process.

Whether this world abides forever or there is a new earth, matters not. the conclusion is the same. Man was meant to rule the physical realm under God as He rules Heaven. That requires an immortal body. Immortal bodies are not for heaven. We go to heaven to await the resurrection and abide there until that time without a body whatsoever.

The meek shall inherit the earth, not heaven.

Do you believe we stay in heaven forever? If so, where is bible for it?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

All of man was immortal, that's why salvation returns us to what Adam lost and entails an immortalized body in the resurrection to complete the process.
Whether this world abides forever or there is a new earth, matters not. the conclusion is the same. Man was meant to rule the physical realm under God as He rules Heaven. That requires an immortal body. Immortal bodies are not for heaven. We go to heaven to await the resurrection and abide there until that time without a body whatsoever.
The meek shall inherit the earth, not heaven.
Do you believe we stay in heaven forever? If so, where is bible for it?

It matters not to you.

It's OK. You want man to have a natural, physical body...I don't know why. We will not
be able to procreate, and that's the only reason aside from having this body die away to
fulfill God's plan. I'll say this much, before the Lord comes for his Church you WILL be
in agreement with me. You just have to let go!

"...that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you..."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

It matters not to you.

It's OK. You want man to have a natural, physical body...I don't know why.

See, here's where you assume incorrectly.

SPIRITUAL is not NON-PHYSICAL. It is NON-NATURAL. I am porposing that a spiritual body is not natural, but still physical and is immortal. WHy do yuou assume a spiritual body is not physical? Because you assume the word spiritual means non-physical, right? Well, it's not. It's more like SUPERnatural, not non-physical.

We will not
be able to procreate, and that's the only reason aside from having this body die away to
fulfill God's plan.

That is an assumption as well. The bible does not state physical bodies are solely for procreation.

I'll say this much, before the Lord comes for his Church you WILL be
in agreement with me. You just have to let go!

That's what everyone says about their beliefs.Whatever.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

See, here's where you assume incorrectly.
SPIRITUAL is not NON-PHYSICAL. It is NON-NATURAL. I am porposing that a spiritual body is not natural, but still physical and is immortal. WHy do yuou assume a spiritual body is not physical? Because you assume the word spiritual means non-physical, right? Well, it's not. It's more like SUPERnatural, not non-physical.
That is an assumption as well. The bible does not state physical bodies are solely for procreation.
That's what everyone says about their beliefs.Whatever.

The problem is not assumptions: it is not addressing ourselves in the same language!

I believe I am using the common language of scripture: you seem, to me, to have a different
definition for the common words I use; although we both speak English.. Anyway, I believe
that is a problem of communication, not necessarily of doctrine.

I see that God created man a spiritual body ("...in our image..."), then God FORMED a body
of dust around the spiritual man. It is the SPIRIT that is immortal, not the flesh: which is
only as temporary as this universe that surrounds us.

If I say that the body is mortal, it is because the believer will have put on a new tabernacle,
as both apostles Paul and Peter signified.

Peace be with you, Beloved.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

The problem is not assumptions: it is not addressing ourselves in the same language!

I believe I am using the common language of scripture: you seem, to me, to have a different
definition for the common words I use;

I researched the Greek. We have to go to the Greek when defining word in the New Testament. Going solely to English, especially modern-day English will miss the mark, because the New Testament was written in Greek. English words usually convey .most of what we require, but for technical issues like this, we cannot stand solely on English without consulting a Greek lexicon.

And the book of 1 Cor would have let us know that, anyway. Chapter 2 speaks of natural and spiritual believers. Chapter 10 speaks of spiritual meat and drink in the form of the water form the rock and the manna. In all cases they were very physical.

Did you research the Greek etymology of the term?

although we both speak English.. Anyway, I believe
that is a problem of communication, not necessarily of doctrine.

I see that God created man a spiritual body ("...in our image..."), then God FORMED a body
of dust around the spiritual man. It is the SPIRIT that is immortal, not the flesh:

That's the problem, I believe. You are not realizing that "Spiritual" is not speaking of the composition of the body, but of what drives it.

You really need to check the Greek out concerning the issue. I have some notes I will provide from my research.

[shazeep]

i'm already seeing this as another of the conundrums that have no def answer...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i'm already seeing this as another of the conundrums that have no def answer...

I'm not. . Just because people disagree does not mean there's no definite answer.

[mfblume]

Jesus was first fruits of resurrection. We shall experience what he did, simply put.