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04-06-2015, 11:53 PM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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Has the thought ever occurred to you
that who ever wrote that which you posted it had not been revealed to them the seven Spirits of God?
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Really? Paul?
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04-06-2015, 11:56 PM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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And I will continue to do so as the will of God dictates...
whether you like it or not.
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Actually that proves you are out of the will of God...you are NOT of God. God's will clearly was revealed in the bible to
leave when they refuse what you have to say
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-07-2015, 10:17 AM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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Originally Posted by shazeep
i believe that that is one valid reflection of God to us, and there are others. God's Threeness, Oneness, etc
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THREENESS"??? Instead, why not just say "manifold-edness"?
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04-07-2015, 10:27 AM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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Originally Posted by Livelystone
No, that is not what the seven spirits of God means!
God is a seven fold spirit (the number of divine completion) and the "one of us" that Adam (mankind) became that caused them to be cut off from the tree of life is the spirit of counsel, because like God who takes counsel from Himself alone, so did Adam take counsel from himself rather that obey God that caused them to eat the forbidden fruit.
It just so happens that this same problem is still in the church and is why it no longer witnesses miracles as they should be because they obey the words and thoughts of man more than they do the Word of God.
You can count all seven of Spirits of God in this verse
Is. 11:2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
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Not bad. Now, what is the" Spirit of the Lord"?
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04-07-2015, 10:57 AM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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THREENESS"??? Instead, why not just say "manifold-edness"?
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well, because there are lessons in the Trinity doctrine, even if that is taken too far in some quarters? You have me guessing, i'm not sure--but Scripture seems to indicate lessons of contemplating the various aspects of God. i would consider God's "mani-folded-ness" more like an aspect of His "infinity," and/or beginning, or source--the number before 1, if you will.
At the end of the day, God is manifest in every number, but seems to inhabit certain numbers over others. We don't speak of the Fiveness or Sixness of God because these represent other concepts, that we consider "from" God but not descriptive of God. But i admit that left to my own devices, i would prefer "manifoldedness," even for the Spirits of God, which are prolly not limited to Seven, but may just relate to Man in 7 Spirits or something.
You are kind of asking "Why does God assign numbers specific meanings," perhaps; which i'm not really qualified to answer; but my guess is that this aids communications, provides for signs that some may see while others may be oblivious to, etc. Even establishes principles to be guided by, i guess.
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04-07-2015, 11:13 AM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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well, because there are lessons in the Trinity doctrine, even if that is taken too far in some quarters? You have me guessing, i'm not sure--but Scripture seems to indicate lessons of contemplating the various aspects of God. i would consider God's "mani-folded-ness" more like an aspect of His "infinity," and/or beginning, or source--the number before 1, if you will.
At the end of the day, God is manifest in every number, but seems to inhabit certain numbers over others. We don't speak of the Fiveness or Sixness of God because these represent other concepts, that we consider "from" God but not descriptive of God. But i admit that left to my own devices, i would prefer "manifoldedness," even for the Spirits of God, which are prolly not limited to Seven, but may just relate to Man in 7 Spirits or something.
You are kind of asking "Why does God assign numbers specific meanings," perhaps; which i'm not really qualified to answer; but my guess is that this aids communications, provides for signs that some may see while others may be oblivious to, etc. Even establishes principles to be guided by, i guess.
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A PERSON WHO IS NOT QUALIFIED TO ANSWER, SHOULDN'T ANSWER.
However, that does not keep us from asking!
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04-07-2015, 11:17 AM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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04-07-2015, 03:33 PM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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But as you have witnessed...I come and go as I please.
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Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, "From where have you come?" Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it."
Come to check on us Jobs?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-07-2015, 03:47 PM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
Not bad. Now, what is the" Spirit of the Lord"?
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Depends on how it (the words) is being used
The "Spirit of the Lord" is deity and is the source of divine life
God is Spirit with a Soul (the same as man is therefore man was made in the image of God)
In how it appears in Is.11:2 the "Spirit of the Lord" is the Spirit of God and the next 6 are the attributes AKA Soul of the Spirit of God keeping in mind that the soul is a "spiritual AKA celestial body".
While the word "soul' is always feminine in gender, Spirit of the Lord as it is used here is for lack of better words to describe it is "genderless," and is said to be a Deity that is always considered to be male
The spirit (male) and soul (female) come together as "one flesh" to bring forth a new life. Essentially Jesus was the soul of God (albeit definitely male) manifested in human flesh and is why He had to return to the Father in order to send the comforter "In His name"
Other times we see the Spirit of the Lord coming to earth and it carries female gender attached to it because it "came from the "Deity" in heaven who is male as is "God the Father," and because the "woman came from man" and not the other way around.
For simple teaching comparisons I call the spirit the seed and the soul being the fruit that comes from the tree produced by said seed.
Therefore the spirit of man can only bring forth the mind of man but from the Holy Spirit we can get the Soul of God also known as the mind of Christ......... but only if the truth of the 7 foundational doctrines of Christ as they appear in He.6:1-2
Preachers who teach the spirit of man is to become one with the Spirit of God are in fact preaching spiritual homosexuality that is an abomination to God
The spirit of man (Adam) technically died at the cross when we were "crucified with Christ," but the soul of man (Eve) did not but does need to......... this is why the apostles were said to "die daily".
Adam #one (spirit of man) is sentenced to death but through Adam #two AKA the last Adam we are made alive in this life which is when the first resurrection starts rather than having to wait to die. Therefore when everyone physically dies, this death becomes the second death/resurrection that holds no power over those who from knowledge of the truth and belief in Jesus have already attended the first resurrection
A little confusing and at least for me a little difficult to put in words that are easy to understand
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04-07-2015, 05:35 PM
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Re: The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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Originally Posted by livelystone
depends on how it (the words) is being used
the "spirit of the lord" is deity and is the source of divine life
god is spirit with a soul (the same as man is therefore man was made in the image of god)
in how it appears in is.11:2 the "spirit of the lord" is the spirit of god and the next 6 are the attributes aka soul of the spirit of god keeping in mind that the soul is a "spiritual aka celestial body".
While the word "soul' is always feminine in gender, spirit of the lord as it is used here is for lack of better words to describe it is "genderless," and is said to be a deity that is always considered to be male
the spirit (male) and soul (female) come together as "one flesh" to bring forth a new life. Essentially jesus was the soul of god (albeit definitely male) manifested in human flesh and is why he had to return to the father in order to send the comforter "in his name"
other times we see the spirit of the lord coming to earth and it carries female gender attached to it because it "came from the "deity" in heaven who is male as is "god the father," and because the "woman came from man" and not the other way around.
For simple teaching comparisons i call the spirit the seed and the soul being the fruit that comes from the tree produced by said seed.
Therefore the spirit of man can only bring forth the mind of man but from the holy spirit we can get the soul of god also known as the mind of christ......... But only if the truth of the 7 foundational doctrines of christ as they appear in he.6:1-2
preachers who teach the spirit of man is to become one with the spirit of god are in fact preaching spiritual homosexuality that is an abomination to god
the spirit of man (adam) technically died at the cross when we were "crucified with christ," but the soul of man (eve) did not but does need to......... This is why the apostles were said to "die daily".
Adam #one (spirit of man) is sentenced to death but through adam #two aka the last adam we are made alive in this life which is when the first resurrection starts rather than having to wait to die. Therefore when everyone physically dies, this death becomes the second death/resurrection that holds no power over those who from knowledge of the truth and belief in jesus have already attended the first resurrection
a little confusing and at least for me a little difficult to put in words that are easy to understand
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