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10-24-2014, 07:17 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Remind me, please.
How does Oneness Theology work for those who really are Oneness but really don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Father (as in God the Father).
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I don't believe the Son is the Father. I believe Father and Son are distinct Manifestations or Modes or what ever word you prefer
How does that not work?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-24-2014, 07:19 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Scripture does not say one divine essence. It does say this concerning the Messiah:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
I affirm the Messiah (YESHUA) is the begotten son and the Eternal Father? Do you?
The distiction is that the son was born of a woman. Therefore a human being. The Father is the Mighty God of Heaven.
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If you understood what Divine Essence means, you'd HAVE to confess scriptures teach one Divine essence...There's just One God. One Spirit
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-24-2014, 07:20 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Sean
The way Jesus and the Father are one is because Jesus had the Holy Ghost(Spirit of the Father) inside him.
The way we are one with Jesus, other than baptism, is when we have the Holy Ghost in us(Spirit of Christ).
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That sounds Unitarian
Jesus and the Father are One because they are the same Personal God and the same Divine nature
How they are different is Jesus's Human nature
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-24-2014, 07:22 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Jesus is the Father.
Jesus is the Son.
Jesus is the Holy Ghost.
All Three are One.
Classical Oneness point of view, right?
But aren't there Oneness Pentecostals who don't believe like this?
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We sang it differently.
"He's God in the Father.
He's God in the Son
He's God in the Holy Ghost
and all these three are one"
But that is part of Oneness problems is we relied on songs and catch phrases to teach theology
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-24-2014, 07:23 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Sean
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That says he was FULL of the Spirit not that He had been FILLED with the Spirit.
Sean your view is Unitarian...didn't we have this conversation before?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-24-2014, 07:24 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
If you understood what Divine Essence means, you'd HAVE to confess scriptures teach one Divine essence...There's just One God. One Spirit
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Gods essence is SPIRIT. He is one omnipresent spirit being.
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10-24-2014, 07:26 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That sounds Unitarian
Jesus and the Father are One because they are the same Personal God and the same Divine nature
How they are different is Jesus's Human nature
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10-24-2014, 07:37 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That says he was FULL of the Spirit not that He had been FILLED with the Spirit.
Sean your view is Unitarian...didn't we have this conversation before?
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Yes, if you want to compare me to them then you guys can have the floor.
Jesus is Almighty God.
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10-24-2014, 07:45 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Gods essence is SPIRIT. He is one omnipresent spirit being.
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So you agree with me
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-24-2014, 07:46 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Sean
Yes, if you want to compare me to them then you guys can have the floor.
Jesus is Almighty God.
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Describing Jesus as just a man who was full of the Holy Ghost, then calling Him Almighty God, just confuses things...
I wish I could tag people
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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