No comments about Democrats, because your not one. No comments about Catholics because your not one. No critique of any group you are not a member of.
actually Baron, there is lots of stuff going on in the UPCI right now that is fare game.
You realize the UPCI has on the table for this GC striking TV from the manual right?
see right there is something we can line up on and take shots over. we might even find common ground.
Hey, since we are on the subject of things i dont talk about... there is a group down in Houston led by the Jones brothers. They are building something and at its core are some things I am not partial to.
You have NEVER ONCE heard me say one thing about them. OR what they are doing. I could take shots. I could say all manner of things. I could dig around in the graveyard and make some folk blush and posts would fly.... I could even get the AFF mgmt all aflutter deciding what to delete etc.
but I dont. Im not interested in that kind of nonsense. it benifits no one. It doesn't make me better. It doesnt advance the kingdom. It doesnt make the things I believe more (or less) valid.
Build something Brother! Building is awesome. and stay away from those infected with the bug to destroy.
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The calls to "let it go" serve to ensure the status quo.
The refusal to listen to the audio is symptomatic of fear.
This audio is remarkable. It would be great to have it in book format.
im the one saying "let it go."
im the one saying "holding on to the past will prevent you from moving into your future."
i am the one saying destroyers never build anything worth anything.
and I have listened to the sermon. I agree with a good bit of it. I love YL and have since i was a small kid. I respect him. I am happy to see what God has done in his life since all this happened.
I am saying to YOU that the infection of bitterness is a terrible thing that will kill a man as sure as cancer will.
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im the one saying "let it go."
im the one saying "holding on to the past will prevent you from moving into your future."
i am the one saying destroyers never build anything worth anything.
and I have listened to the sermon. I agree with a good bit of it. I love YL and have since i was a small kid. I respect him. I am happy to see what God has done in his life since all this happened.
I am saying to YOU that the infection of bitterness is a terrible thing that will kill a man as sure as cancer will.
I agree. Some criticisms are objective and constructive and others are just about criticizing for the sake of doing it or out of bitterness
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You realize the UPCI has on the table for this GC striking TV from the manual right?
I just think it is a horrible idea, (yes I do have a TV, not that I watch much) but do you realize that if a child has been always deprived of candy and then that child is finally allowed to eat as much as he wants that child will not know when to stop.
I see many UPCI folks that have never seen TV before in the same situation, they will not know how to regulate their TV watching, many of them will become addicted to it and it will be a horrible thing for them.
I learned the self-discipline to watch only what I wanted and when I wanted, that is something that has never been taught to the poor UPCI brethren.
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I just think it is a horrible idea, (yes I do have a TV, not that I watch much) but do you realize that if a child has been always deprived of candy and then that child is finally allowed to eat as much as he wants that child will not know when to stop.
I see many UPCI folks that have never seen TV before in the same situation, they will not know how to regulate their TV watching, many of them will become addicted to it and it will be a horrible thing for them.
I learned the self-discipline to watch only what I wanted and when I wanted, that is something that has never been taught to the poor UPCI brethren.
So how many UPC folks do you think there are that have not watched tv? (I think not many).
Of those few that may not currently own or watch tv if they are hard core just because the org. removes the restriction from the manual or whatever does not mean they have a preacher who is going to stop preaching against it and let them do it.
A change mostly affects the legal status of licensed ministers who own a television. The new rule would keep them from violating their ministerial oath by having a tv in their home.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I just think it is a horrible idea, (yes I do have a TV, not that I watch much) but do you realize that if a child has been always deprived of candy and then that child is finally allowed to eat as much as he wants that child will not know when to stop.
I see many UPCI folks that have never seen TV before in the same situation, they will not know how to regulate their TV watching, many of them will become addicted to it and it will be a horrible thing for them.
I learned the self-discipline to watch only what I wanted and when I wanted, that is something that has never been taught to the poor UPCI brethren.
I agree 1000%. Seems like church films who never had a TV do not know where to draw the line about what to watch. I was raised in the world and watched all kinds of ungodly things, but when I received the Holy Ghost I quit watching those things. I didn't know I wasn't "supposed" to have a TV for several months after this since I was a new convert. I never had a conviction about TV (but did have conviction to cease watching several shows and movies) but got rid if my TV because my pastor taught me to do so and plus I was working towards a license. After about 5 years I did get a TV for video purposes then after another 3 years got TV channels (largely because now I knew of UPC preachers/pastors with satellite TV in their homes). But since I was raised in the world when I brought the TV back on the house we maintained the same discipline we had before.
Our viewing habits would probably be considered too strict for most church people. We don't watch movies rated above PG (no pg 13) pretty much only watch Food Network, History, Discovery, Fox News, CNN, and sports. Nothing with murder, sex, nudity, drug use, etc. Recently I had taken a liking to Pawn Stars on History channel but felt bad about watching it because of some of the language and cut it out. Its not that I dont like the show, but I don t feel comfortable allowing multiple profanities blaring in my house. It takes discipline and not everyones standard will be the same.
Some think I'm too strict others probably think I'm way out. I understand others may view some things I think are questionable, but what I don't understand us when Christians entertain themselves with ungodly movies that glorify drug use, violence, fornication, vampires, killing contests, grisly crimes, shows that revolve around the tearing down of the family glorifying the gay agenda, etc. I don't get that and I don't think those are matters of "liberty" I don't see how that doesn't violate Phil 4:8, James 4:4, 1John 2:15-17. I'm not trying to deflect though from this thread but probably just hijacked it.
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So how many UPC folks do you think there are that have not watched tv? (I think not many).
Of those few that may not currently own or watch tv if they are hard core just because the org. removes the restriction from the manual or whatever does not mean they have a preacher who is going to stop preaching against it and let them do it.
A change mostly affects the legal status of licensed ministers who own a television. The new rule would keep them from violating their ministerial oath by having a tv in their home.
Today, there is probably a VERY small % of org members that have never owned one at some point. Although during our stint in the UPC (the 80's) we had a number of families who were born and raised in the church who never had one. In fact if you mentioned John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart, they had NO idea who you were talking about. They would also make a big deal about NOT walking through the areas of Sears and JCPenny's where electronics were sold lest they catch a glance of said devices.
They would also make a big deal about NOT walking through the areas of Sears and JCPenny's where electronics were sold lest they catch a glance of said devices.
No, "hard core" are those who put blankets, towels, coats or some other covering over the TV in motel rooms.
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