"For This Cause" A Discussion About Angelic Hair

[Trouvere]

My hairdo was oriental looking.It would have gone great with
RED SHOES.Surely the angels were in awe of it.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe God considers long hair on a woman to be glorious. And I think He'd rather see it. I never argued that when I noted that it is not heaven or hell. I just said it is not heaven or hell like it is being promoted with some folks. Let's not add to the Word. God simply said long hair is a glory to a woman. Does that make it a heaven or hell issue?

Why, oh why, do people want to make everything a "heaven or hell" argument?

Has anybody ever heard of wanting to please God?

Not every issue in my marriage is a "divorce or stay married" issue.

But I like pleasing my wife, and being happily married.

I could track mud all over the living room floor, and probably not get immediately served with divorce papers.

But if I have an attitude of just doing whatever I want without regard to her preferences and wishes, the relationship is surely going to dteriorate.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Why, oh why, do people want to make everything a "heaven or hell" argument?

That is the whole point! The emphasis people put on long hair is equivalent to a heaven or hell issue. And that is what is being resisted. I do not want my wife to have short hair. She never will have it. But I do not think it is heaven or hell to emphasize it to such a degree that some people do. Some people here only stress it the way they do because they think IT IS Heaven or hell.

Has anybody ever heard of wanting to please God?

That is the whole point! Exactly. Do it to please God. But get the heaven or hell attitude out of the picture.

Not every issue in my marriage is a "divorce or stay married" issue.

But I like pleasing my wife, and being happily married.

I could track mud all over the living room floor, and probably not get immediately served with divorce papers.

But if I have an attitude of just doing whatever I want without regard to her preferences and wishes, the relationship is surely going to dteriorate.

I doubt VERY MUCH the relationship with God deteriorates due to HAIR. He is not THAT concerned, brother, that a relationship with Him will surely deteriorate over it. Come on. That's just an excuse to still enforce it as though one DID propose it is heaven or hell, for it is hell if a relationship SURELY deteriorates over it. You are saying it is not heaven or hell in one breath and then saying it will cause one's relationship with God to SURELY deteriorate in another breath. What real difference is that?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Why, oh why, do people want to make everything a "heaven or hell" argument?

Has anybody ever heard of wanting to please God?

Not every issue in my marriage is a "divorce or stay married" issue.

But I like pleasing my wife, and being happily married.

I could track mud all over the living room floor, and probably not get immediately served with divorce papers.

But if I have an attitude of just doing whatever I want without regard to her preferences and wishes, the relationship is surely going to dteriorate.

If I might be allowed the luxury of cheerleading right here, I would like to offer Bro. CS a hearty Oklahoma AMEN!

it is this attitude of heaven or hell that results in the minimalist living and teaching that has become so common in Pentecostal/Apostolic circles. What can I get away with that isn't heaven or hell? How close to hell can I live and still make it into heaven? Sad way to live!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is the whole point! The emphasis people put on long hair is equivalent to a heaven or hell issue. And that is what is being resisted. I do not want my wife to have short hair. She never will have it. But I do not think it is heaven or hell to emphasize it to such a degree that some people do. Some people here only stress it the way they do because they think IT IS Heaven or hell.



That is the whole point! Exactly. Do it to please God. But get the heaven or hell attitude out of the picture.



I doubt VERY MUCH the relationship with God deteriorates due to HAIR. Come on, brother. You are saying it is not heaven or hell in one breath and then saying it willl cause one's relationsjhip with God to deteriorate in another. What real difference is that?

It will deteriorate due to an attitude that says, "Well, God may want me to have long/uncut hair, but hey! It never says it's a sin, just a shame, so I'm cool."

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by philjones

If I might be allowed the luxury of cheerleading right here, I would like to offer Bro. CS a hearty Oklahoma AMEN!

it is this attitude of heaven or hell that results in the minimalist living and teaching that has become so common in Pentecostal/Apostolic circles. What can I get away with that isn't heaven or hell? How close to hell can I live and still make it into heaven? Sad way to live!

Exactly.

That is a sad thing to behold, people hunting loopholes like 'It's only a shame, not a sin!"

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

It will deteriorate due to an attitude that says, "Well, God may want me to have long/uncut hair, but hey! It never says it's a sin, just a shame, so I'm cool."

It will not deteriorate. You have to believe it is heaven or hell if you speak like that.

It's not cut versus uncut anyway. It is long versus short. (whew).

Saying a "shame" is not a "sin" is not minimalizing anything. It is saying keep things in proper perspective. We cannot accept an inch and run a mile with it. You can go both ways with it. It's HAIR, for goodness' sakes.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Why, oh why, do people want to make everything a "heaven or hell" argument?

Has anybody ever heard of wanting to please God?

Not every issue in my marriage is a "divorce or stay married" issue.

But I like pleasing my wife, and being happily married.

I could track mud all over the living room floor, and probably not get immediately served with divorce papers.

But if I have an attitude of just doing whatever I want without regard to her preferences and wishes, the relationship is surely going to dteriorate.

I totally agree with your analogy about pleasing God. I think with me it comes down to how to interpret long. I totally want to live my life to please God; I just don't think long means uncut. I think it means feminine, and not like men's hair. But that doesn't mean I don't want to please God; that's what I live for everyday. If I thought He didn't want me to cut my hair ever again, I wouldn't.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Why, oh why, do people want to make everything a "heaven or hell" argument?

Has anybody ever heard of wanting to please God?

Not every issue in my marriage is a "divorce or stay married" issue.

But I like pleasing my wife, and being happily married.

I could track mud all over the living room floor, and probably not get immediately served with divorce papers.

But if I have an attitude of just doing whatever I want without regard to her preferences and wishes, the relationship is surely going to dteriorate.

Bro Coonskiner,
your last couple of posts have been worthy of sticking up on my mirror....but are you open to consider that what I quoted above is not the way a woman's hair is generally taught in our fellowship? Are our women following a witness in the Spirit or a witness from the counsels of men?

If a woman allows her hair to grow (increase in length between any two subsequent actions involving it), it would certainly be long. Such an advancement would not require a prohibition on cutting but would expose the hair-owner to consider what their motive is in shaping and styling and every other manner of minipulating.

Your post (above) is the core issue, the principle that needs consideration. Yet for humans to soberly consider the God-view they have to do something with all the man-views they have either received prior, or simultaneously, to searching for God's take.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Exactly.

That is a sad thing to behold, people hunting loopholes like 'It's only a shame, not a sin!"

CS,

i think I have come to an understanding...

there are no more side roads... all roads are interstates and clearly marked and there is no danger in just taking your best shot on any one you feel like riding on.

I am thankful for a Dad who taught me and preached to me about the danger of side roads and the importance of staying on the Highway! I didn't always heed his warnings or his teachings but I assure when I was on one of those side roads there was no question in my mind as to whether or not I was lost!