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05-25-2007, 12:58 PM
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Block Head
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Originally Posted by revrandy
How can a person defend this biblically?
Is it true that most of these who believe this also believe that sickness & disease is the result of sin and God's punishment??
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Sickness and disease IS the result of Sin. But I do not believe it is a punishment from God, as he did not come to steal, kill, and destroy, but he came that we may have abundant life.
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05-25-2007, 01:10 PM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stockton, California
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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown
Sickness and disease IS the result of Sin. But I do not believe it is a punishment from God, as he did not come to steal, kill, and destroy, but he came that we may have abundant life.
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No doubt about sin.. but sometimes the context of sickness can be used more against the person in false guilt if it happens...
In other words... because your sick or diseased there must be some sin in your life you haven't as of yet repented of and this is God's judgement...not speaking of disease from sinful acts...but health..
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05-25-2007, 01:12 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Nunya bidness
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Quote:
Originally Posted by revrandy
No doubt about sin.. but sometimes the context of sickness can be used more against the person in false guilt if it happens...
In other words... because your sick or diseased there must be some sin in your life you haven't as of yet repented of and this is God's judgement...not speaking of disease from sinful acts...but health..
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I've heard that preached before but not in connection with not going to the doctor.
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05-25-2007, 01:15 PM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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I'm having some trouble accepting the thought..
"I disagree and it's not in the Bible but I respect their belief and them for stickting it out and suffereing"... it's just not computing with me..
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05-25-2007, 01:33 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by revrandy
I'm having some trouble accepting the thought..
"I disagree and it's not in the Bible but I respect their belief and them for stickting it out and suffereing"... it's just not computing with me..
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Basically, all he is saying is they took a stand on something and were willing to die for it. He, and others, find that admirable.
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05-25-2007, 01:58 PM
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Traveling the Road of Infraction ......
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Vicks vapor rub heals spirits. 
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05-25-2007, 04:09 PM
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crakjak
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: dallas area
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Originally Posted by NobodyImportant
Brother, I am anti-doctor insomuch that I cannot AFFORD to go to the doctor. I don't have a lot of choice. Besides, my wife used to work in a hospital and I have seen so much quackery as a result that I truly don't wish to go to one.
LET ME STATE THAT I DO NOT PREACH AGAINST GOING TO THE DOCTOR.
Now that that is out of the way, we do believe in natural health and healing. After all, many drugs today have original counterparts in nature. Or they are made up of petrochemicals which I do oppose since it is well known that fuel oil is toxic.
We do take herbs and eat natural foods, mostly organic. Our health is better than ever. My wife had a fever for a couple of days last fall. It was the first malady of any kind that either of us has had in 5 years. I attribute some of that to natural foods. I also give God glory for good health.
If someone needs a doctor, then go. There are plenty of them. My only siuggestion would be to make sure that they are reputable and have a good name in the community.
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Good post NI, faith and works together are a winning team. There is so much going on in the medical field that is driven by profit that the welfare of the patient is secondary. I am referring to the corp level, not the many great nurses and even doctors. We need to educate ourselves and be very proactive in our own health care, get to know what medicines contain and side effects.
If a company gets a major drug on the market it means billions in profits, lots of pressure on the scientists, FDA etc.
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05-25-2007, 09:46 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
I admire the resolve and faith of people like the Triplett's, even if I consider it extremely unwise and maybe even foolish.
But in a day when so many people have NO strong convictions about anything, and no beliefs they won't compromise, I can deeply appreciate people of strong faith and conviction.
My hat is off to them.
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But........ If theirs is a false or misplaced faith in this regard, then is your admiration and appreciation then also misplaced?
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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05-25-2007, 10:04 PM
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Psalms 132:1
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,367
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Brown
Sickness and disease IS the result of Sin. But I do not believe it is a punishment from God, as he did not come to steal, kill, and destroy, but he came that we may have abundant life.
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The little word IF lets us know that every sickness is not because of sin in a person's life.
James 5:14-15
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
KJV
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05-25-2007, 10:08 PM
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Psalms 132:1
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Anyone care to take a stab at this verse?
Can a doctor/medicine keep a person alive IF God has appointed there death?
Eccl 8:8
8 There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
KJV
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