My First Gay Thread

[Aquila]

People used to say that those with deep and radical mood swings and violent behavior were demon possessed. While some are... some are just experiencing a chemical embalance.

Biology (the flesh) is a fallen thing. There is no good thing in our flesh. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a biological factor in some cases. It just demonstrates how far mankind has fallen. Sin has effected our very DNA.

[ILG]

Here's an article about transgendered fish and it's cause from endocrine disruptors.

http://www.marigoldlane.com/environment/fish.html

Do you know how much synthetic estrogen there is in the world?

Most synthetic estrogen is derived from birth control pills and hormone replacement therapy; however, herbicides, pesticides and pharmaceutical compounds also mimic estrogens. These estrogens end up in storm water, either from toilets flushing (if you get my drift) or stormwater and agricultural runoff.

Have you ever read about government experiments on people? In the United States things have happened. Have you read about the Tuskegee Syphilis experiments? How about MK Ultra? If a government wanted to chemically emasculate it's citizens it wouldn't be too hard. Just some things to think about when people claim they were born that way.

[llambert]

Originally Posted by ILG

Here's an article about transgendered fish and it's cause from endocrine disruptors.

http://www.marigoldlane.com/environment/fish.html

Do you know how much synthetic estrogen there is in the world?



Have you ever read about government experiments on people? In the United States things have happened. Have you read about the Tuskegee Syphilis experiments? How about MK Ultra? If a government wanted to chemically emasculate it's citizens it wouldn't be too hard. Just some things to think about when people claim they were born that way.

This is an interesting idea- I was in a tent meeting yesterday where the preacher said that because of elements in the environment, a fetus can be adversely affected in terms of its sexuality. He said that expectant parents should come and be prayed for because of what this poster is calling here "all of the biological weirdness". Don't scriptures say that Satan tries to destroy some souls from within the mother's womb? But what is meant for evil, God turns around and uses for good and for his glory.

But I say that it doesn't really matter how anyone was born- everyone needs to be born again (John 3:3-8) In terms of arguing with LGBT community activists about how people were born- it might be a waste of time to argue with them about how they were born- everyone needs to be born again, or we hae no chance at all of ever seeing the kingdom of God).

God makes he and she, not "ze" (which is an emerging politically correct term). At the time of this writing, there are blood tests that tell which of the two genders a person is even if the person may appear to be born hermaphrodite or with no sex organs) It seems to me that when the person who doesn't know if they are a born male or female receives the Holy Ghost, God will reveal to both them and their church family if the person is a male or a female and also give them the grace to live and do ministry to edify the body of Christ.

There is a scripture in Isaiah I think that talks about God loving the man who has become a eunuch and how God has a special love for them. Where sin abounds, grace does much more abound, so therefore if someone is born with both sets of sex organs or no sex organs, I believe that God will give a special grace to them. I think this would also apply to those persons who have had full gender reassignment surgeries. They may not have the means to physically go back to looking like the gender that they were created, but God will give them extra grace to be able to live in society and bear whatever ostracism they might face by either the culture at large or a church subculture.

I have only heard of one case of a transformed transexual person. His name was Perry Desmond
http://www.amazon.com/Perry-Transfor...5590559&sr=8-1

He physically changed his body to look like a female, but then he was converted (I don't know if he fulfilled Acts 2:38 though). From the story I heard, he came to a church, gave his testimony and the elders' minds were blown. They counseled him in his home and told him that he would have a hard road ahead of him. I was told that he went on the Christian lecture circuit giving his testimony, but he passed away a number of years ago.

I suppose that a case like this is similar to someone who did some irreparable change to their body, like someone who got a tattoo or tribal markings on their face- this person can have experience the New Birth, but they will still have the physical markings. I know of a man who is part of a worship team in a trinitarian church. The man has a full facial tattoo that he got B.C. He can't take it off, but there he is as part of the worship team.

Please pray for me, as I do for you, in Jesus' name,
Bro Lambert

[llambert]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Are people born gay? With some members of my family that are practicing homosexuals, I have to say the answer is no. People are not born gay. People are born with a choice however, and they can exercise that choice. With all the homophobia in and around America, though, I believe the Church should really do something it has not done in large part, and that is reach out to the homosexuals actively with the message of the Gospel.

From what I have seen, both in my family members as well as other homosexuals is the fact that they are walking wounded. They are hurting and put on this disguise of happiness when around people. They need Christ, just as the liars, the fornicators, and the murderers do, and we have an absolute command to go and preach Christ to these people without hesitation. And let me say this as well, that as believers, we must never ever be callous to anyone in sin, but must reach with His hands, speak with His voice, love with His heart, and give grace as He did on the Cross, and bring them in.

I agree with this post. On the other hand, I don't agree with this:

A sinner needs tough love, not mamby pamby grace love. There's "If you have not His Spirit, you are none of His" or "I never knew you, depart from me you worker of iniquity." Those are pretty tough pronouncements. No need to sugar coat it. If you are a homosexual, you are a vile, rank sinner. Period.
Maybe this poster was trying to make a joke, but I think we need to keep in mind that these internet messageboards can be read by any and everyone. Who would be blessed and encouraged by reading such a post?

I honestly think that at least half of the people who are caught in homosexuality would come running out of it if:

1- they knew how to be free- step by step, practical strategies not just being told that what they are/how they feel is evil
2- they saw that the people in the church would work with them

Here in NYC, we now have legalized same sex marriage. But there is now also beginning to be discussion about same sex divorce and about open marriages. There's a lot of talk/rhetoric about how legalizing same sex marriage is going to destroy society- but honestly the fruit that is coming out of it here in NYC is that:

1- more people are praying
2- those who want to marry the same gender are going to see homosexuality for what it really is- if there is now talk of same sex divorce and open marriages, there is the realization that many people in homosexuality (men in particular) can't really be with just one person for life- so it is making people begin to ask questions about just what is homosexality all about anyway
3- more people are praying and examing the sin in their own lives before they begin to confront the sin in the lives of others.

Bro Lambert

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Does anyone here know someone who believes they have been "delivered" by the power of God from lifelong homosexuality? Not speaking of someone who got experimental then repented, but a former hardcore who now is not gay?

Last I heard, there aren't any verifiable cases apart from those speaking "by faith" and of course "behaving themselves".....thus far.

Sincerely asking the above, but of course I'm coming from a position (who isn't.) In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)

Yes I do

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Yes I do

[jaxfam6]

Honestly if you really believe that

"In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)"

Then how can you say that it is not compatible with the Bible? Do you believe God would allow someone to be born a homosexual if homosexuality is a sin? We are all born sinners, we either make a choice to stay a sinner or to shun sin and take on the new birth with Christ Jesus.

If God is allowing people to born homosexual then he would have allow them to practice homosexuality as a lifestyle.

Yes I know Children are born alcoholics and drug addicts but that is a chemical being put into them by the parent before birth and can be fixed. Homosexuality is NOT a chemical dependency problem or a medical condition that can be fixed.

anyone else think the same thing???

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Phoenix thank you for your sig line definitely a cut, paste, and filed. Guess I need to come around more often. :-)

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Phoenix thank you for your sig line definitely a cut, paste, and filed. Guess I need to come around more often. :-)

You're welcome.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt
In keeping with the Admins wishes that I not speak about my lifestyle and I not promote an "agenda", I will answer any question anyone has but I will only answer it in a private message, I will not post anything that deals with my personal life or my beliefs in this matter on the open forum.

If anyone has any questions or would like to discuss an issue please feel free to send me a private on here or just request my e-mail addy and I will take my answers totally out of the forum.

Thanks and Blessings

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I'll take that as a yes.

If this is true he is not an Apostolic friend but a sinner on his way to Hell if he does not repent and abandon his lifestyle .