Tithing, Mandate for the New Testament Church? - Page 13

Aquila · #**121** 08-03-2011, 01:02 PM

Hey, don't preach the truth. The silversmiths will get pretty upset if you disturb their trade. lol

High & Low · #**122** 08-03-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

I am not a Pastor...but I LOVE and Choose to tithe based on how I understand the scriptures...

Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The priesthood was changed (no more Levitical priesthood), so the law was also changed. Therefore tithing under the Levitical priesthood has been ABOLISHED.

Heb 5
8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Since we are no longer under the Levitical priesthood, but under the Melchizedek priesthood, we need to consider if there is tithing under the Melchizedek priesthood and how it is/was done.

Under the Melchizedek priesthood, we GIVE tithes. We don't PAY tithes. That's the difference for me. Abraham GAVE tithes of all. He did not PAY tithes.

Heb 7
2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Gen 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

We should notice that tithing under the Melchizedek priesthood was GIVEN not PAYED. When we pay tithes, it implies we're owing God. However, when we GIVE tithes, it shows gratitude to God. So it comes back to the Cross of Jesus Christ.

We are NOT commanded to PAY tithes, but rather to GIVE tithes. It's an act of FAITH. Abraham was not commanded, he tithed by revelation.

The church is not built upon commands but by the revelation of the HolyGhost.

So in all, I tithe by the grace of God, not because I'm afraid of a curse, but because it's ONE (not the only) means by which I can show gratitude to God.

Btw, my pastor is not a paid pastor, so he does not take tithes...The tithes are used to help the needy in the church and church projects.

What do we give a tithe of? Scripture says Abraham gave a tenth of the war spoils. Doesn't say he gave a tenth of his income.

Truthseeker · #**123** 08-03-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Hey, don't preach the truth. The silversmiths will get pretty upset if you disturb their trade. lol

Getting tithe collectors to consider tithes is wrong is like getting politicians to consider campaign contributions are wrong.

ThePastorsCoach · #**124** 08-03-2011, 02:49 PM

You guys should go do something productive instead of trying to convince people that they should not tithe. Go get someone saved or healed and stop preaching to the choir!

2 Tim. 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. KJV

The Message 2 Tim:14-18 Repeat these basic essentials over and over to God's people. Warn them before God against pious nitpicking, which chips away at the faith. It just wears everyone out. Concentrate on doing your best for God, work you won't be ashamed of, laying out the truth plain and simple. Stay clear of pious talk that is only talk. Words are not mere words, you know. If they're not backed by a godly life, they accumulate as poison in the soul. Hymenaeus and Philetus are examples, throwing believers off stride and missing the truth by a mile by saying the resurrection is over and done with.

You guys don't intimidate me and I am not required to give an answer to you. You will answer to God for your deception and rebellion against His Word!

Truthseeker · #**125** 08-03-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You guys should go do something productive instead of trying to convince people that they should not tithe. Go get someone saved or healed and stop preaching to the choir!

2 Tim. 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. KJV

The Message 2 Tim:14-18 Repeat these basic essentials over and over to God's people. Warn them before God against pious nitpicking, which chips away at the faith. It just wears everyone out. Concentrate on doing your best for God, work you won't be ashamed of, laying out the truth plain and simple. Stay clear of pious talk that is only talk. Words are not mere words, you know. If they're not backed by a godly life, they accumulate as poison in the soul. Hymenaeus and Philetus are examples, throwing believers off stride and missing the truth by a mile by saying the resurrection is over and done with.

You guys don't intimidate me and I am not required to give an answer to you. You will answer to God for your deception and rebellion against His Word!

Well that didn't prove much. Same kind of stuff thrown at paul with folks claiming rebellion and all to the word. Scripture alone settles it, which I seen you give very little.

ThePastorsCoach · #**126** 08-03-2011, 03:21 PM

Obeying the Word here - "Shunning profane and vain babblings."

Consider yourself shunned!

TGBTG · #**127** 08-03-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by High & Low

What do we give a tithe of? Scripture says Abraham gave a tenth of the war spoils. Doesn't say he gave a tenth of his income.

Whatever way you can give it is what I believe...

Pro 3:9
Honor the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

Whatever way in which you are increased. For me, my income is my increase. Maybe some people's increase is farm animals...

Anyway, as I stated in my previous post, I do not PAY tithes, I GIVE tithes. So, I don't tend to be legalistic about what to give.

I realize some people would not see it the way I see it especially due to preachers who have taught "tithe or go to hell"(which I don't agree with) However, i still believe in letting God into my finances as much as every other area of my life.

For me, it's an act of faith and trust.

Truthseeker · #**128** 08-03-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Obeying the Word here - "Shunning profane and vain babblings."

Consider yourself shunned!

LOL. Paul was shunned by some, so was Jesus, so I am in good company.

Wrote the above to make a point that anyone can post rheteric or barbs but the above doesn't prove my position right.

Sam · #**129** 08-03-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Getting tithe collectors to consider tithes is wrong is like getting politicians to consider campaign contributions are wrong.

Truthseeker · #**130** 08-03-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Whatever way you can give it is what I believe...

Pro 3:9
Honor the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

Whatever way in which you are increased. For me, my income is my increase. Maybe some people's increase is farm animals...

Anyway, as I stated in my previous post, I do not PAY tithes, I GIVE tithes. So, I don't tend to be legalistic about what to give.

I realize some people would not see it the way I see it especially due to preachers who have taught "tithe or go to hell"(which I don't agree with) However, i still believe in letting God into my finances as much as every other area of my life.

For me, it's an act of faith and trust.

Nothing wrong with someone wanting to use 10% as a guide or standard to go off but this stuff about not giving tithes is robbing God and going to hell is so far off in error.