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[jfrog]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

please explain what you mean

When people in the world say they hate a person it's oftentimes the same kind of hate that Christians say they have towards a sinner's actions.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think that if alot of conservatice Christians were honest then they would admit they hate Obama, they hate Nancy Pelosi, and they hate many liberals, they hate women who have abortions, they hate gays, they hate muslims, they hate... Does that excuse me? Nope. But I understand it don't and also I don't try to cover it up and make myself sound Christianically Correct by saying I don't hate Christian people I just sometimes hate their actions. Of course that's probably closer to what I meant in Christianese... but to me and the rest of the non-christian world, saying you hate someone means you hate what they are doing and how they act because to us the person and their actions are so entertwined that we don't try to separate the two in our discussions.

I think Christians are too nit-picky about terminology because my concept of hating a person is not much different than their concept of hating a person's actions. So in my terminology it is very possible to hate Christians or anyone for that matter and for it not to be wrong. It all depends on what is meant by the word hate.

Don't tell me, you're a Bill Clinton devotee? (J/K!)

We can't go around disputing the definition of words. The dictionary is clear and more importantly, God is clear.

There are alot of actions done by others that bring us grief and affect us profoundly. However, as Christians, we are simply not giving the luxury of hatred.
The Word says we shall know them by their "fruit", and hatred is of only one spirit.
As Christians we are to overcome. So, if anyone has problems with hatred, we can do what the Word says; to exchange our carnal minds for the Mind of Christ.

Jfrog, I really like you. I think you're an honest person who tries to do what you think is best. Hatred seems to be beneath you and I hope you will re-think the idea of throwing around definitions and words too casually.
God says the power of life and death is in the tongue. God knows I need major help in that area too. But, I really try and not "hate" anyone...nope, not even Obama. I try often to think of what a great example he is as a family man to this nation. It's hard to "hate" anyone if you're doing as the Word says; "if anything be of good report...think on these things".

That doesn't mean I'll be voting for him, but I can honestly say I do not hate him or any of the people you listed. I certainly do not hate women who have had abortions, either.

But, anyway Jfrog, carry on....God has you in His Sights and Hands.

peace

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

Don't tell me, you're a Bill Clinton devotee? (J/K!)

We can't go around disputing the definition of words. The dictionary is clear and more importantly, God is clear.

There are alot of actions done by others that bring us grief and affect us profoundly. However, as Christians, we are simply not giving the luxury of hatred.
The Word says we shall know them by their "fruit", and hatred is of only one spirit.
As Christians we are to overcome. So, if anyone has problems with hatred, we can do what the Word says; to exchange our carnal minds for the Mind of Christ.

Jfrog, I really like you. I think you're an honest person who tries to do what you think is best. Hatred seems to be beneath you and I hope you will re-think the idea of throwing around definitions and words too casually.
God says the power of life and death is in the tongue. God knows I need major help in that area too. But, I really try and not "hate" anyone...nope, not even Obama. I try often to think of what a great example he is as a family man to this nation. It's hard to "hate" anyone if you're doing as the Word says; "if anything be of good report...think on these things".

That doesn't mean I'll be voting for him, but I can honestly say I do not hate him or any of the people you listed. I certainly do not hate women who have had abortions, either.

But, anyway Jfrog, carry on....God has you in His Sights and Hands.

peace

(mostly!)

I want to ask these questions for everybody:

Is the bible against us disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone because of their actions?
Can we show compassion to those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?
Can we stop returning evil for evil toward those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by jfrog

(mostly!)

I want to ask these questions for everybody:

Is the bible against us disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone because of their actions?
Can we show compassion to those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?
Can we stop returning evil for evil toward those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?

Bring it home jfrog.. if someone you hate needs money for food or you to buy them groceries, would you?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Bring it home jfrog.. if someone you hate needs money for food or you to buy them groceries, would you?

Maybe.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

(mostly!)

I want to ask these questions for everybody:

Is the bible against us disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone because of their actions?
Can we show compassion to those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?
Can we stop returning evil for evil toward those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?

Kewl. Tell us the last time you hated some one. Who was it? Why did you hate them and how did you serve them and give them something? Use a (false name)

Expand on onefaith2 question.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

(mostly!)

I want to ask these questions for everybody:

Is the bible against us disliking someone? I don't think so.
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone? I don't think so.
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone because of their actions? I don't think so.
Can we show compassion to those we strongly dislike and still dislike them? I think so.
Can we stop returning evil for evil toward those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?

I think so.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

(mostly!)

I want to ask these questions for everybody:

Is the bible against us disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone?
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone because of their actions?
Can we show compassion to those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?
Can we stop returning evil for evil toward those we strongly dislike and still dislike them?

I'd like to answer with Scripture.

Matthew 5:43-48


43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’

44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?

48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

I'd like to answer with Scripture.

Matthew 5:43-48


43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’

44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?

48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

And I would like someone to just answer the questions

[sandie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

(mostly!)

I want to ask these questions for everybody:

Is the bible against us disliking someone? yes
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone? yes
Is the bible against us strongly disliking someone because of their actions? yes
Can we show compassion to those we strongly dislike and still dislike them? no (Jesus takes this much further in saying we must LOVE them.)
Can we stop returning evil for evil toward those we strongly dislike and still dislike them? no

I thought I answered via the Words of Jesus. So, according to His Words, as best as I'm able to understand, I've answered your questions in the manner you wanted. (I think )