I used an incorrect word in the post you responded to. I said the "girl could have an ounce of fault" and it should be "Couldn't". Sorry.I have a very, very, very hard time taking at face value what newspapers say. The misrepresentation and outright falsehoods that are routine, are shocking.
They are still in the age of innocense? I see. But if it was a teen male the same age, he could steal, burgularize and be protected by reason of "couldn't have an ounce of fault" due to age?
You don't have a clue. But I see you are going to brush me off anyway. I find that sad. Unfortunate for your daughters.
Nice of you to judge me being a father, Im sure in your world Im at fault here somehow. But you have the right to your opinion.
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scotty, I agree with ILG that even though your story is relevant to this thread and explains your perspective, it shouldn't be posted. Your daughter deserves to be protected from having her mistakes and/or traumatic experiences made public.
I think you're missing the point here: Even if a young girl WANTS to have a sexual experience, if an adult takes advantage of the awakening sexuality in any young person, they are at fault. Reversing the scenario, there are lots of very young teenage and preteen boys who would be interested in having sex with just about anyone, but it would be abuse for an adult woman to take advantage of their vulnerability simply because they have strong urges.
It's especially abusive for a person in a position of authority over another to take advantage of someone in that way, especially if the victim is very young. A young person having sexual desires, fantasies and feelings isn't a mark of maturity, and doesn't negate the responsibility of the adult in a situation.
Personally, I find it interesting that you're dwelling on the fact that your daughter WANTED to have sex with the 22 year old. It's actually very COMMON for young girls to have crushes on older men, especially teachers and men in authority positions. Men can very easily take advantage of those situations. I don't find anything odd about a 16 year old girl having sexual fantasies about a 22 year old man and wanting to act on them. Would you find it odd for a 16 year old boy to have sexual feelings toward a 22 year old woman? Why is there a "why" here? Teenagers are blossoming into adults, and sexuality is part of that "awakening." There's nothing to be confused about. The fact that a teenager would want to have sex is nothing new and says nothing bad about your daughter's character.
Exactly !! Thank you Miss Bratt. Now expand on what you have said. The desires are there, they will be, that is understandable. Personal question: Did you have those desires at that age ? If yes, what kept you from acting on them ? Thats the problem I am trying to shed light on, as teenagers me and you didnt act on those desires for certain reasons, my problem I am pointing out is that those reasons dont exist anymore. Why ? Why was it we could say no and today teenagers see no reason what so ever to say no, not only that, they expect it to happen at that age just because thats the way it is. Am I the only one who sees a problem with this ?
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
I find it conceivable that a 47 year old man and a 16-year old girl could both want to have sex...perhaps equally so...perhaps with the younger wanting it moreso than the elder.
That is not the issue to me. To me the issue is who has the greater responsibility both legally and morally to not do what they want to do. I think it's clear that this responsibility ultimately lies with the older pastor in this case.
There are countless underage children who desperately want to drink alcohol. However desirous they may be, if I as an adult began supplying them with alcohol, I would expect to shoulder the bulk of the legal and moral responsibility. It's just a part of being a grown-up.
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Exactly !! Thank you Miss Bratt. Now expand on what you have said. The desires are there, they will be, that is understandable. Personal question: Did you have those desires at that age ? If yes, what kept you from acting on them ? Thats the problem I am trying to shed light on, as teenagers me and you didnt act on those desires for certain reasons, my problem I am pointing out is that those reasons dont exist anymore. Why ? Why was it we could say no and today teenagers see no reason what so ever to say no, not only that, they expect it to happen at that age just because thats the way it is. Am I the only one who sees a problem with this ?
IMO, exploring the reasons for a lack of self-control in a teenager is a separate issue from the topic of this thread.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I find it conceivable that a 47 year old man and a 16-year old girl could both want to have sex...perhaps equally so...perhaps with the younger wanting it moreso than the elder.
That is not the issue to me. To me the issue is who has the greater responsibility both legally and morally to not do what they want to do. I think it's clear that this responsibility ultimately lies with the older pastor in this case.
There are countless underage children who desperately want to drink alcohol. However desirous they may be, if I as an adult began supplying them with alcohol, I would expect to shoulder the bulk of the legal and moral responsibility. It's just a part of being a grown-up.
Good post.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
scotty, I agree with ILG that even though your story is relevant to this thread and explains your perspective, it shouldn't be posted. Your daughter deserves to be protected from having her mistakes and/or traumatic experiences made public.
I think you're missing the point here: Even if a young girl WANTS to have a sexual experience, if an adult takes advantage of the awakening sexuality in any young person, they are at fault. Reversing the scenario, there are lots of very young teenage and preteen boys who would be interested in having sex with just about anyone, but it would be abuse for an adult woman to take advantage of their vulnerability simply because they have strong urges.
It's especially abusive for a person in a position of authority over another to take advantage of someone in that way, especially if the victim is very young. A young person having sexual desires, fantasies and feelings isn't a mark of maturity, and doesn't negate the responsibility of the adult in a situation.
Personally, I find it interesting that you're dwelling on the fact that your daughter WANTED to have sex with the 22 year old. It's actually very COMMON for young girls to have crushes on older men, especially teachers and men in authority positions. Men can very easily take advantage of those situations. I don't find anything odd about a 16 year old girl having sexual fantasies about a 22 year old man and wanting to act on them. Would you find it odd for a 16 year old boy to have sexual feelings toward a 22 year old woman? Why is there a "why" here? Teenagers are blossoming into adults, and sexuality is part of that "awakening." There's nothing to be confused about. The fact that a teenager would want to have sex is nothing new and says nothing bad about your daughter's character.
Yup. It's normal to want to have sex.
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