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Re: Get your Degree Today
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
You say that, and yet, I have not heard him tout his own greatness and education.
I think he feels privileged and honored to be apart of the development of the first accredited OP institution offering post graduate studies.
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His writings are an effort to make a lasting effect on Oneness Theology.
What would you think of a lumberjack that goes and buys a 12" electric chainsaw?
I think not much of a lumberjack.
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Re: Get your Degree Today
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Let me put it to you this way the whole program didn't cost as much as a single PhD course at a reputable US university.
That should make you pause.
If someone charges the cost of an estimate to clean your chimney you would probably stop and think, maybe I should check around some.
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Yeah if they are next door to me in Missouri... but I have swept chimneys in Europe for less money.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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Re: Get your Degree Today
I guess the real question to ask is, "why do I want a degree?"
A. To say I have a degree ( Make me look good)
B.To get a better job
C.To learn something in a particular discipline.
As one having a lower degree, I will admit that I started out with the first two in mind (also the fact that I was trying to be able to have an educated discussion with my hubby was a factor  ), but realized very quickly that I was learning something!
I am thankful for the EDUCATION that I recieved, I know something, and THAT is what I paid for.
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Re: Get your Degree Today
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Originally Posted by Maximilian
Respectfully, Prax, I don't think he's getting near the same criticism that LS got.
I do think that this can be chalked up in a related vain of scrutiny: why so many Apostolics with degrees shrouded in controversy? Why do I have to Google your school? Is it a fair question? Do you see a trend at all?
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I'd like DKB to tell us for himself rather than speculate
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-22-2010, 06:37 PM
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Re: Get your Degree Today
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Baron, could it also be that the reason why some thought "diploma mill" is because this thread is fresh on the hills of the other one where we tared and feathered a couple of men for their so called degrees?
It's clear the quality of this U. is not on par, but I wanted to caution against the notion that DKB didn't take any classes. He didn't need to take classes from this U. but he most likely did need to submit to a study program and may have taken classes anywhere else.
Im just trying to show, for anyone that is interested, that this is not the same as the other issue *(LS) and that we don't know that DKB did not take any classes. Clearly he is educated, even in theology. The quality of his education I would not bet any amount is on par or better than what DS gained
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I will clearly state this is not anything like the other issue with SEU.
But it certainly makes one wonder why?
Why shortcut?
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07-22-2010, 06:39 PM
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Re: Get your Degree Today
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I'd like DKB to tell us for himself rather than speculate
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Why is DKB off-limits for speculative questions?
I don't think anyone has made any personal attacks on him at this point.
I think there are some legit concerns about Pentecost in general on this subject. And yes, I'd love for DKB to speak to this. I think he would actually.
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07-22-2010, 07:07 PM
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Re: Get your Degree Today
Has anyone found ANYTHING yet listing University of South Africa as substandard or worse a fraud or diploma mill?
(yes this was said earlier in the thread, though others won't go that far
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...3&postcount=46
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...4&postcount=60 )
What? One of the largest Universities in the world with "no classes", "sub-par academic", pennies on the dollar "institutions" and it did not get an exposé in Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by Distance Learning??
I really don't know what the watchdog groups say about University of South Africa, but if it's a cover for the real thing, seems someone would have written extensively about just that.
I'm listening...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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Re: Get your Degree Today
http://www.world-federation.org/Educ...uth_Africa.htm
$1500 each for Masters and PhD....
$2500 and $3000 for nonresidents.
Really?
I paid half that much for my first year books in law school.
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07-22-2010, 07:43 PM
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Re: Get your Degree Today
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Originally Posted by Maximilian
Why is DKB off-limits for speculative questions?
I don't think anyone has made any personal attacks on him at this point.
I think there are some legit concerns about Pentecost in general on this subject. And yes, I'd love for DKB to speak to this. I think he would actually.
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We don't know why DKB went there. If you want to speculate...that's your business.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-22-2010, 07:44 PM
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Re: Get your Degree Today
While we wait I am going to watch INVICTUS - might get an idea of the living standards and the US dollar value in that economy.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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