"death panels" obamacare

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

I have read the bill and have even posted portions of it to prove that some claiming to be Christians are lying. The lies were posted in red.

Are you claiming to be Christian or lying or both?
Your posts appear that you don't understand wording in the bill and use some hack liberal web site to regurgitate it for ya.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Esther

Something I want to remind folks of, IF they pass this bill as is, or even if they make admendments, they will over a period of time change it to what they wanted all along.

Look how are taxes have changed from what it was originally set out to be. IRS was to be voluntary, is it now?

Look at cap and trade. 300 pages came out at 3 am and that on the day of voting. These Democrats are deceptive and will hide the real nasty parts the best they can.

[coadie]

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.co...ath-panel.html

"death panel"

Now further on is the article from Medicine czar Emanuel where he discusses the notion of
"quality adjusted life years"
"Disability adjusted life years" and
Then he disccusses allocation of healthcare to people based on their usefullness and reciprocity. I suspect only 1 other person read the document from Emanuel.
So we get people together "panel" and decide how to score the sick or disabled. Then we decide what to share with them. This is not a sickest first model. If you read what is going on with dr Emanuel, it is scarier than what comes from Gov palin.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Esther

Something I want to remind folks of, IF they pass this bill as is, or even if they make admendments, they will over a period of time change it to what they wanted all along.

Look how are taxes have changed from what it was originally set out to be. IRS was to be voluntary, is it now?

Joe Biden says taxes are still voluntary. Pay them or volunteer to go to jail. Actually failure to file is a felony and failure to pay is a misdemeanor.

[Light]

Originally Posted by coadie

Are you claiming to be Christian or lying or both?
Your posts appear that you don't understand wording in the bill and use some hack liberal web site to regurgitate it for ya.

Coadi I posted the lies you told in red. Your lies have been refuted today by several republicans on the news.

I'll make a deal with you. Let's hire a lawyer (can be a republican)to read the bill as written, if you are wrong you pay, if I am wrong I will pay. Now put up or shut up.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

Coadi I posted the lies you told in red. Your lies have been refuted today by several republicans on the news.

I'll make a deal with you. Let's hire a lawyer (can be a republican)to read the bill as written, if you are wrong you pay, if I am wrong I will pay. Now put up or shut up.

Tell me why I would need a lawyer to read the bill?

You are the one that has very little formal education. If you need a reader interpretor, help yourself.

"death panels" Coming to a cube farm in Washington.

The sleazy democrats will invent some flowery name for them.

Members will be "Advanced Care Planning Associates"

Socialized medicine. Complete with all new medical terms.

Light you are very deceptive. as loudly as you accuse people of being liars, that is a sign that you are trying desparately to transfer attention from your deeds. Remember the Democrats press for abortion. It is nothing for you all to falsely accuse people because your hypocracy is exposed. so sad.

If you want to spend money on a lawyer, I can read and explain the bill to him. Remember your Donkey buds haven't read the bill they are pushing.



Question to self. why would the Pro Abortion baby killer party go ballistic on the expression "death panel" ??

Why aren't they proud of it?? HHMMMM

Any thing else?

[Esther]

The more you look at this bill it is for HEALTHY individuals.

There is a penalty for doctors if they readmit a patient.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Esther

The more you look at this bill it is for HEALTHY individuals.

There is a penalty for doctors if they readmit a patient.

By the way, that started coming last year. If you have MRSA which you got in the hospital, and go home and have to come back for more treatment, they want it to be on the house. In a mechanics shop, the say "come backs are free" If the car still runs rough, they don't get more for labor.

Healthcare that focuses on healing outcomes only will cause hospitals to decine admission for recurrent disorders. This is a bully clause. You don't go into a restaurant and order ala carte and get all you can eat. I can see a hospital refuse a re admission iif the government decieds site unnseen, it is the same thing the patient had last time.

[MissBrattified]

When I read the re-admission part, this is what I thought about:

My father was on Medicare during the last few years of his life. He and my mother never had much money, having pastored a small church for 25 years, let alone private health insurance. Any care they received was through the government or out of pocket. My mother is still paying on his medical bills, the parts that Medicare didn't cover.

Anyway, I remember he had to be in the hospital for a couple of extended periods during the last year of his life. I believe the maximum amount of days allowed by Medicare was 17 days of hospitalizing, and then the patient either had to pay out of pocket, or be discharged. Basically, every 17 days, my father would be discharged from the hospital, and within a day or two, they'd have to call an ambulance to transport him back to the hospital, where a new 17 day period would start.

Talk about INEFFICIENT!!!! Not only is the system messed up, BUT every 17 days my father would have to go through the pain and discomfort of being moved around, and having his health decline for a couple of days until he was in bad enough shape to go back.

I'm wondering if THIS is the kind of re-admission the plan is meant to eliminate. In my father's case, that would have been an early death warrant. He was eventually placed on hospice anyway, but if he hadn't been allowed to return to the hospital a couple of times, he most likely would have died at least a year earlier.

Now, I am NOT for prolonging life unnecessarily, but that should be up to the FAMILY and INDIVIDUAL, with the personalized care of their doctor[s]--not the government.

I may not be interpreting the penalties for re-admission correctly, but that's where my head went.

[edjen01]

MikeinAR....do you believe everything our President says? and if so...do you believe everything all politicians say?