Urgent - From David Wilkerson's Daily Devotional - Page 13

Timmy · #**121** 03-09-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Your questions are unanswerable and, IMO, unfruitful.

All that matters is that God does speak to us today.

Critical thinking is needed and good.

A critical spirit is neither.

I happen to believe it's important and fruitful to determine whether God does or does not speak, and that includes specific instances. Perhaps you do, too, and you already have an answer (yes) to the first part. That's fine, if it's true. OK, let's say it is true. God does speak to individuals. What about the second part -- dealing with specific cases?

Those individuals and their audiences ("God told me to tell you") have no way of knowing if any given instance really is from God or not. The alleged prophet could feel deep inside that it's from God, have goosebumps and chills down the spine, could see a bright light, could hear an audible voice, could get confirmation from another alleged prophet, or you name it. None of it proves anything. You might say he should just have faith that it's from God. Sure. If it really is. But now we're back to square one.

What's the best policy, then? Believe it's from God until proven otherwise? Tell that to the Mormons!

Tell that to Deanna Laney, who killed her children on orders from God.

What would I tell all the potential Deanna Laneys and Joseph Smiths and David Wilkersons and their audiences? I say assume it's bunk until proven otherwise. Could be a hunch or a whim or blatant fraud or made up from whole cloth or a word from a demon or whatever. Could be a genuine word from God, I suppose. In that case, I would think God would have a fool-proof way for us to know. But He doesn't.

Sorry, but it's not possible to be "proven otherwise". My advice will end up with nobody ever hearing from God, or at least not believing that it is (whether it is or not). But is that such a bad thing? What are the horrible consequences of missing a true word from God? What's so important that God would think it's a good idea to plant a thought into someone's mind, or vocalize (audibly) it? Why would He use a method that is so easily and very often is faked (intentionally many times, accidentally other times, perhaps with the best of intentions), and sometimes causes various kinds of bad results, such as unnecessary panic, or the deaths of innocent children?

Oh by the way, how does one discern whether I am using critical thinking, or I have a critical spirit? Just curious.

pelathais · #**122** 03-09-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Prosperity is just around the corner.

Bloomberg had an interesting piece this morning about just how much has been lost - Global Financial Assets Lost $50 Trillion Last Year, ADB Says

"... Protectionist measures by countries to prevent a deeper fallout from the global downturn won’t work, Loser said.

“There is no room for denial or populist policies,” Loser said. “Otherwise the crisis will become even deeper and harder to reverse.” "

Sam · #**123** 03-09-2009, 06:51 PM

Jer 5:13 says, "and the prophets shall become windbags and the word is not in them"

pelathais · #**124** 03-09-2009, 07:47 PM

Matt Drudge and WorldNet Daily have picked up on the Wilkerson predictions.

crakjak · #**125** 03-09-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

I happen to believe it's important and fruitful to determine whether God does or does not speak, and that includes specific instances. Perhaps you do, too, and you already have an answer (yes) to the first part. That's fine, if it's true. OK, let's say it is true. God does speak to individuals. What about the second part -- dealing with specific cases?

Those individuals and their audiences ("God told me to tell you") have no way of knowing if any given instance really is from God or not. The alleged prophet could feel deep inside that it's from God, have goosebumps and chills down the spine, could see a bright light, could hear an audible voice, could get confirmation from another alleged prophet, or you name it. None of it proves anything. You might say he should just have faith that it's from God. Sure. If it really is. But now we're back to square one.

What's the best policy, then? Believe it's from God until proven otherwise? Tell that to the Mormons!

Tell that to Deanna Laney, who killed her children on orders from God.

What would I tell all the potential Deanna Laneys and Joseph Smiths and David Wilkersons and their audiences? I say assume it's bunk until proven otherwise. Could be a hunch or a whim or blatant fraud or made up from whole cloth or a word from a demon or whatever. Could be a genuine word from God, I suppose. In that case, I would think God would have a fool-proof way for us to know. But He doesn't.

Sorry, but it's not possible to be "proven otherwise". My advice will end up with nobody ever hearing from God, or at least not believing that it is (whether it is or not). But is that such a bad thing? What are the horrible consequences of missing a true word from God? What's so important that God would think it's a good idea to plant a thought into someone's mind, or vocalize (audibly) it? Why would He use a method that is so easily and very often is faked (intentionally many times, accidentally other times, perhaps with the best of intentions), and sometimes causes various kinds of bad results, such as unnecessary panic, or the deaths of innocent children?

Oh by the way, how does one discern whether I am using critical thinking, or I have a critical spirit? Just curious.

How do we know you exist, Timmy? Maybe you are a figment of my imagination?

Bro-Larry · #**126** 03-09-2009, 09:44 PM

ATTENTION DAVID WILKERSON: If God were to judge America, He would have to apologize to Jesus, because God has already judged the world by pouring out on Jesus the judgment that was appointed for the whole world.

America will undoubtedly go through some bad times, but it will not be from God. John 3:17

MissBrattified · #**127** 03-09-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

ATTENTION DAVID WILKERSON: If God were to judge America, He would have to apologize to Jesus, because God has already judged the world by pouring out on Jesus the judgment that was appointed for the whole world.

America will undoubtedly go through some bad times, but it will not be from God. John 3:17

He would?

pelathais · #**128** 03-09-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

He would?

They're on speaking terms. Matthew 17:5 and John 17:5.

crakjak · #**129** 03-09-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

ATTENTION DAVID WILKERSON: If God were to judge America, He would have to apologize to Jesus, because God has already judged the world by pouring out on Jesus the judgment that was appointed for the whole world.

America will undoubtedly go through some bad times, but it will not be from God. John 3:17

I believe it is called seed and harvest.

TRFrance · #**130** 03-09-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

ATTENTION DAVID WILKERSON: If God were to judge America, He would have to apologize to Jesus, because God has already judged the world by pouring out on Jesus the judgment that was appointed for the whole world.

America will undoubtedly go through some bad times, but it will not be from God. John 3:17

So the calamities we see described in the book of Revelation... are those judgments from God, or not?
(before you answer, you may want to check out certain verses such as Rev 14:7)