Hell In Question - Page 13

Aquila · #**121** 03-17-2009, 01:50 AM

I wish I would have known about this kind of thing when I was witnessing to my mother-in-law years ago. She told me point blank, she loved Jesus and would like to believe in him. But she was appalled at the idea that God would burn most of humanity in a fiery Hell forever. You have to understand...my wife's mother had married into a Jewish family and converted. The idea of casting people into a fiery furnace was VERY disturbing to her. Her image of the Christian God was rather upsetting to say the least.

Aquila · #**122** 03-17-2009, 01:56 AM

Here's an interesting verse...

Matthew 3:11-12
11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Looks like everyone's going to be baptized...either by the Holy Ghost...or with...fire.

Truthseeker · #**123** 03-17-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Here's a good start:

Psalms 65:2-4
O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away. Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

Are you can admit to being Calvinists, and say that God does not choose all.

Talk about something biblical, "devil's hell" where did you find that, did he make it? Does he own it? Sounds like more faith in the power of the devil than of the power of God.

What of the list of scriptures that Aquila just posted? You see what you want to see. I want to see the power and success of the gospel, therefore I "see" it.

I still believe you are a good guys, too. lol

No one can choose God without God first choosing them.

*AQuietPlace* · #**124** 03-17-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I wish I would have known about this kind of thing when I was witnessing to my mother-in-law years ago. She told me point blank, she loved Jesus and would like to believe in him. But she was appalled at the idea that God would burn most of humanity in a fiery Hell forever. You have to understand...my wife's mother had married into a Jewish family and converted. The idea of casting people into a fiery furnace was VERY disturbing to her. Her image of the Christian God was rather upsetting to say the least.

What do Jews believe about the afterlife?

Aquila · #**125** 03-17-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

What do Jews believe about the afterlife?

Here's a short article on what Jews believe....

Judaism does have a concept of reward and punishment in the afterlife. However, since words we use bring to mind certain images, particularly “Heaven” and “Hell,” it is better to use the Jewish terminology which comes without the baggage.
When someone dies, the disembodied soul leaves this sensory world and enters “Gan Eden,” the spiritual Garden of Eden (a.k.a. “Heaven”). In the Garden of Eden, the soul enjoys the “rays of the Divine Presence,” a purely spiritual enjoyment dependent on the Torah learning and good deeds done while in a body. Every year on the yahrtzeit, the day of passing, the soul ascends to another level closer to G-d. This gives it tremendous pleasure.

In order to restore the level of purity the soul had possessed before entering the physical world, it must undergo a degree of refinement commensurate to the degree which the body may have indulged itself
Before entering the Garden of Eden, though, a soul must be in a state of spiritual excellence, for it cannot enjoy the Divine Presence to the fullest degree with the pleasures and coarseness of our physical world still engraved on it. These would give the soul poor “reception” of divine radiance, and must be removed.

If a person sinned in this lifetime, as most of us do, then, to continue the radio analogy, we have serious interference. In order to restore the level of purity the soul had possessed before entering the physical world, it must undergo a degree of refinement commensurate to the degree which the body may have indulged itself. This means there is quite a bit of cleaning to be done. This cleaning process hurts, but is a spiritual and mental process designed not for retribution, but to allow one to truly enjoy his/her reward in Gan Eden.

This cleaning process is called “Gehinom,” or, in the vernacular, “Hell.”

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/2...-and-Hell.html

Here's another reference:

Judaism
Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but rather a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on his or her life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life. The Kabbalah describes it as a "waiting room" (commonly translated as an "entry way") for all souls (not just the wicked). The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 11 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception. Some consider it a spiritual forge where the soul is purified for its eventual ascent to Olam Habah (heb. עולם הבא; lit. "The world to come", often viewed as analogous to Heaven). This is also mentioned in the Kabbalah, where the soul is described as breaking, like the flame of a candle lighting another: the part of the soul that ascends being pure and the "unfinished" piece being reborn.

According to Jewish teachings, hell is not entirely physical; rather, it can be compared to a very intense feeling of shame. People are ashamed of their misdeeds and this constitutes suffering which makes up for the bad deeds. When one has so deviated from the will of God, one is said to be in gehinom. This is not meant to refer to some point in the future, but to the very present moment. The gates of teshuva (return) are said to be always open, and so one can align his will with that of God at any moment. Being out of alignment with God's will is itself a punishment according to the Torah. In addition, Subbotniks and Messianic Judaism believe in Gehenna, but Samaritans probably believe in a separation of the wicked in a shadowy existence, Sheol, and the righteous in heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

And a third reference...

However, for Jews, gehenna--while certainly a terribly unpleasant
place--is not hell. The majority of rabbinic thought maintains that
people are not tortured in hell forever; the longest that one can be
there is said to be 12 months. It is a spiritual forge where the soul
is purified for its eventual ascent to Gan Eden [Heaven], and where
all imperfections are purged. [In this sense, it is somewhat similar
to the Roman Catholic purgatory, however the time period has a
definate maximum]. Gehennom (lit: the valley of Hinnom, in Jerusalem;
i.e. hell) is the sinner's experience in the afterlife.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ...section-9.html

Judaism doesn't traditionally embrace an eternal Hell of torments.

crakjak · #**126** 03-17-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

No one can choose God without God first choosing them.

I agree, and He has chosen to provide the Lamb for the sins of the whole world.

Truthseeker · #**127** 03-17-2009, 05:04 PM

What does many are called, but few are chosen mean?

mfblume · #**128** 03-17-2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crakjak

Here's a good start:

Psalms 65:2-4
O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away. Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

Are you can admit to being Calvinists, and say that God does not choose all.

Talk about something biblical, "devil's hell" where did you find that, did he make it? Does he own it? Sounds like more faith in the power of the devil than of the power of God.

What of the list of scriptures that Aquila just posted? You see what you want to see. I want to see the power and success of the gospel, therefore I "see" it.

I still believe you are a good guys, too. lol

The Psalm is saying that any prayers OUGHT TO BE MADE to God. That is all.

Devil's hell is a title that explains what hell was made for.