God, Is My Obededience Not Enough?: When HH Fails - Page 13

Pastor Keith · #**121** 07-09-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

True. I for one wouldn't have made it 25 years living for God if it was all up to me.

Nevertheless, there are things God speaks to me about to be more like him.

Your response to his grace and work in your life demonstrates your love for him, but the lack of it will never undermine His love towards you. But you must believe it and allow it to happen. You don't have to earn his Favor or blessing, it has been freely given at Calvary.

SDG · #**122** 07-09-2008, 01:45 PM

Our faith must be placed in Him for our regeneration and sanctification ....

Some believe that when they place their faith in Him somehow that must provide the impetus for the change in their lives .... rather than letting Him do the good work ... surrendering entirely to His Spirit to effect that change. It's what He's done and is doing ... not in what I can do to prove what He's done.

Ron · #**123** 07-09-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The cart before the horse .... was exactly what I was thinking ...

It's this mentality that befalls many OP and other believers as well ...

The frustration felt by FB ... is what has caused many to get so frustrated that they feel they will never measure up ... and leave the Church outright.

Preachers and saints of God don't help in this equation at times either ... especially when we dismiss repeat offenders as unable to access grace ...

Last nite I heard of one preacher ... who did just this ...

A woman called her sister, the preacher's wife, and told her that she'd like to go to church w/ them on Sunday .... the wife mentioned it to her husband who was by the phone listening ....

He said she was not welcome to their home or church because of her constant "tweaking" ... a reference to her bouts w/ drug addiction ...

She could not come.

Grace is so foreign to many in our circles that they make it literally impossible for anyone to experience it.

We may have blood on our hands .... for causing irreparable damage in how we teach and approach salvation and our sanctification

What??????
Like I said before, I wouldn't have made it 25 years without a whole lot of grace.
Where was this person to go?
That is the place we all need to be is at Church when we struggle.
I can't believe that those people would be turned away.

Baron1710 · #**124** 07-09-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Our faith must be placed in him for our regeneration and sanctification ....

Some believe that when they place their faith in Him somehow that must provide the impetus for the change in their lives .... rather than letting ... surrendering entirely to His Spirit to effect that change. It's what He's done and is doing ... not in what I can do to prove what He's done.

Galatians 3:3
Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Ron · #**125** 07-09-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

Your response to his grace and work in your life demonstrates your love for him, but the lack of it will never undermine His love towards you. But you must believe it and allow it to happen. You don't have to earn his Favor or blessing, it has been freely given at Calvary.

I have no problem with that!
I believe that 100%.

SDG · #**126** 07-09-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Galatians 3:3
Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

I'm going to have read Galatians this week .... That's powerful.

mizpeh · #**127** 07-09-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Our faith must be placed in him for our regeneration and sanctification ....

Some believe that when they place their faith in Him somehow that must provide the impetus for the change in their lives .... rather than letting ... surrendering entirely to His Spirit to effect that change. It's what He's done and is doing ... not in what I can do to prove what He's done.

But Dan, we don't sit like a bump on a log and do nothing. The epistles are full of "verbs" which are action words.....for example: pray, rejoice, crucified the flesh, love...etc. telling us to DO something!

We can't do anything without the grace of God and the Spirit working in us but we are not passive in the process.

Pressing-On · #**128** 07-09-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Our faith must be placed in him for our regeneration and sanctification ....

Some believe that when they place their faith in Him somehow that must provide the impetus for the change in their lives .... rather than letting ... surrendering entirely to His Spirit to effect that change. It's what He's done and is doing ... not in what I can do to prove what He's done.

I agree with you Daniel, but in the agreeing I must also say that you broadbrush so many people with your statements.

You always seem to accuse!

I have observed many things being in the UPC. Outside of the "company man", there are people who desperately love their God, read their Bibles, pray and want to get closer to Him. They have more faith in HIM ALONE than anything else and that includes standards.

mizpeh · #**129** 07-09-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Galatians 3:3
Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

They received the Holy Spirit by faith but they had to ask for it. God didn't just pour out his Spirit while they sat and twiddled their thumbs!

Pressing-On · #**130** 07-09-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

But Dan, we don't sit like a bump on a log and do nothing. The epistles are full of "verbs" which are action words.....for example: pray, rejoice, crucified the flesh, love...etc.

We can't do anything without the grace of God and the Spirit working in us but we are not passive in the process.

Amen, my friend. Very good words!