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07-08-2008, 06:09 PM
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
It's not a fad. It's not a fashion. It's a doctrine being taught by very respected persons in the UPC
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I would not waste my gas and time going to hear this foolishness. My advise don't go.
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07-08-2008, 06:11 PM
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by StMark
Is it hurting you? Is it hurting me ?
Can it hurt either of us or anyone for that matter?
It's a Choice
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Mark many of our people are like dumb blind sheep. Whatever their pastor says is the absolute truth without any examination on their part. Whatever comes out of the org is the absolute truth. So when men in high places start teaching this stuff it can very well trickle down to other Pastors who will teach it to their saints. Sure they have a choice, but many have given up their choice to think for themselves many many years ago.
If this stuff is not nipped in the bud it can infiltrate all of the UPC. It already seems to be spreading now!
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-08-2008, 06:11 PM
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by Ferd
Yes, but we have seen those in leadership OPPOSE those other forms.
Even with Divine Flesh, when there was some desire to work with those that held the position, the goal by the leadership was to bring them out of it, not to leave them in it, nor to allow them to evangelize it among us.
with Magic Hair, you dont see ANY opposition from ANY leadership. THIS is what I fear. This is why I think it is dangerous.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-08-2008, 06:11 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
I would not waste my gas and time going to hear this foolishness. My advise don't go.
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This is the wises thing you have ever said!
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07-08-2008, 06:11 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
I would not waste my gas and time going to hear this foolishness. My advise don't go.
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I won't be going. The problem is many others ARE going or those that hold these views are preaching it in our churches and other pastors are jumping on the band wagon without really examining it
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-08-2008, 06:13 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Yes, it's hurting you. You can't be spiritual or protected unless you get married to a woman who doesn't cut her hair, and preferably one who has never cut her hair. Otherwise, too bad, your ministry is just not what it could be, and if a problem comes up, you don't have a wife to help you solve the problem.  |
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Originally Posted by StMark
I don't believe that for one minute. I doubt there are
VERY FEW people who fall for that
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Mark,
You gotta git you a woman with "power hair", so when your Hammond fails you, she can lay her hair on it and the Glory will return!!
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07-08-2008, 06:14 PM
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Keith, are you saying he plans to write against a position that has already been published in the Herald and in various books by our authors?
Why in the world would he open himself up to the firestorm that will undoubtedly ensue?
I think that would fly in the face of what the org is currently promoting. We are trying desperately to prove the WPF wrong. Trying to prove we are not liberal.
An article like that would give them fodder.
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I don't think his position would be against his early stance, some clarification or further thinking, but he doesn't believe the magic stuff, no one knows what the significance of angels means and he doesn't feel it to be salvic. But he does feel the current teaching troubling enought to possiblely in my own thinking to refute it.
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07-08-2008, 06:17 PM
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
I was at church one time and this young lady was slinging her long long long VERY long hair around like a rocker...it was going around in circles and hit me....I can honestly say I was neither healed nor slain in the Spirit and that apparently she uses Alberto VO5
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-08-2008, 06:18 PM
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I was at church one time and this young lady was slinging her long long long VERY long hair around like a rocker...it was going around in circles and hit me....I can honestly say I was neither healed nor slain in the Spirit and that apparently she uses Alberto VO5
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Headbanging service? Did they have a mosh pit?
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-08-2008, 06:19 PM
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Re: When Will A Respected and Influential Leader S
Sis Patty Twyman took down her hair to summon the power of the angels over the prayer requests. Many prayers were answered.
When statements and pictures like these are published on an official website ... w/o concern to attributing answered prayers to the power of angels summoned by hair .... and this is not a big deal ...
I'm .... 
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