David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision - Page 13

Brother Price · #**121** 03-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Scotty, if you do not like me, then pray for me. But, sarcasm is not needed, please.

scotty · #**122** 03-01-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

Scotty, if you do not like me, then pray for me. But, sarcasm is not needed, please.

I know , its just my thing

so....... what kind of quality broadcasting can you do for free....???

I mean internet is a no brainer, but TV?? are we talking about using college studio with students or what??

pelathais · #**123** 03-01-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WyoPastor

In the Rocky Mountain District it is full tithes of Ministerial income with a minimum of 540 per year for ordained.

In the Colorado it is a tithe of all "ministerial income." Thus if a pastor also works a secular job he only tithes on whatever income he draws from the church and preaching out while his secular income is untouched by the didstrict. Most guys like this then plow the money back into the local church anyway.

There was a minimum payment per year for those preachers who didn't earn enough ministerial income to tithe appreciably. Most of these guys are unpaid servants in a church or ministers-in-training.

Brother Price · #**124** 03-01-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

I know , its just my thing

so....... what kind of quality broadcasting can you do for free....???

I mean internet is a no brainer, but TV?? are we talking about using college studio with students or what??

Public Access TV, called We The People TV will allow people to use their studios, or bring in their own program, and broadcast it on Channel 17 in Houston. Some of it is very basic, and some is not. It is free, and they even train you.

TrueNorth · #**125** 03-01-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You got to be kidding me ... my dad sat on the national SEM board for years ... and I helped recently to organize and promote the SEM conferences for 3 years from 2004-2006 ...

I know the HMD handled the monies for SEM and many a times would subsidize the conferences which was it's major expense... I worked in tandem w/ HMD for 2 years to promote the conference and came very close to becoming the administrative assistant for SEM ... I was given the offer in writing by the director himself.

.... many questions have always been unanswered as to funding that was received and distributed to SEM ... including the amounts given in honorariums. Questions often passed over at ministerial business meetings when financials were read ... with the answer always being we need to trust those w/ the purse.

I also know that SEM has pleaded w/ HQ to allow them to have the reins for many, many years... I am thankful that this is finally happening, albeit late in the game, IMO ... it's a dream come true for many of my friends.

but considering the financial and political fragility of the org ... w/ churches pulling out ... I have to question the timing of such a move as either being financially irresponsible or politically expedient ... considering the present climate ... You've even admitted in your post that it would go belly up if big brother didn't cover the costs. How smart is that for spin doctors to admit? ....and I simply remarked that SEM does not have the monies for this in it of itself ... since HMD holds the purse.

I am also aware that in '06 (pre-schism) that the powers that be came very close to making SEM a division and were going to present this to the GB at the 06 General Conference but a lack of confidence in the new Spanish leadership voted in at the 06 SEM conference scrubbed the plan.

Apparently, my learned, loyal, and humble friend Elder Vitanza has finally earned the trust of the mothership.

Good news is the org will have a another offering drive to unload on it's constituents. I'd suggest it not coincide w/ Sheaves for Christ ... Christmas for Christ ...

A PIM system would be best to fund the new Spanish division. Although that will be taxing on the director who already is overwhelmed... better get those regional directors to work a little more.

Pass the koolaid. The spin stops here.

All you have to do is take the UPCI financial statement - go to the appropriate page - then read. Not rocket science. If memory serves, the annual subsidy would be in the 50K range. Time for someone to say thank you HMD.
The move to a division doesn't have much to do with Bro. Vitanza(sp) - and there is still a long ways to go.
First up - the spanish churches will have to put their money where their mouth is. No dinero - no division - it's really that simple.
Secondly - the chicken little's of the internet are the only one's that are really screaming that the sky is falling. How many spanish churches do you know of that are threatening to pull out? I think they are too busy trying to win souls.
If it becomes a division it would have a fulltime director at the executive level.

pelathais · #**126** 03-01-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

That is too much money to pay for preaching the Gospel.

It is supposed to be seen as money you "share" as opposed to money "you pay." If tithing is God's plan for "saints" then it surely must also be His plan for our priesthood. The OT Levites received Israel's tithe because they had no inheritance in Israel. Ask any Apostolic preacher if he thinks he has an inheritance and he will wax long and loud about his "bean patch" but never once think about the money flow that has made so many of them millionaires.

TrueNorth · #**127** 03-01-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

That makes sense. I didn't realize there are limits in place. So this is his final allowable term (barring the 2/3 extension possibility)? I read Dan's post to mean he would prob opt not to run, not that he had no option. Maybe Dan was considering the extension possibility. When does his term end? Sorry for all the questions. Just curious.

He can stay for as many terms as he wants - it's just that with term limits he will now need 2/3 on the nominating ballot.

TrueNorth · #**128** 03-01-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Oh Daniel, you must just have an agenda!

Apparently, TrueNorth is the only authority on this issue.

BTW Daniel, how many executives will be needed to run the new division?

Thank you Altered Reality
I appreciate your confidence in me.
Seems like you want to tell the 500+ spanish churches - sorry - no division for you.

Jehoram · #**129** 03-01-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueNorth

All you have to do is take the UPCI financial statement - go to the appropriate page - then read. Not rocket science. If memory serves, the annual subsidy would be in the 50K range. Time for someone to say thank you HMD.
The move to a division doesn't have much to do with Bro. Vitanza(sp) - and there is still a long ways to go.
First up - the spanish churches will have to put their money where there mouth is. No dinero - no division - it's really that simple.
Secondly - the chicken little's of the internet are the only one's that are really screaming that the sky is falling. How many spanish churches do you know of that are threatening to pull out? I think they are too busy trying to win souls.

If it becomes a division it would have a fulltime director at the executive level.

Are you saying that will be the only job created?

I honestly don't think funds exist to support this.

TrueNorth · #**130** 03-01-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Do you?

And, don't we all have agendas?

TrueNorth, I think your rose colored glasses are a little too dingy.

I am not disagreeing with the need for a new Spanish division. I never have. But just three months ago this same board agreed that we were bleeding money in Spanish lit that no one wanted to purchase. Now, all of a sudden, we need a new Spanish Division?

Does the left hand even know what the right is doing up there?

Get it together man.

What does spanish lit have to do with a spanish division.
Spanish churches refused to buy the stuff because it didn't meet their needs. Why would you keep publishing it - and it is still available electronically I think - if nobody is going to buy it.
Tell the Spanish ministers to stop asking for a Spanish Division - that would do it.
BTW the Spanish Division is not a done deal. They've got to prove that they have the resources before it will ever become a reality.

Get it? Got it? Doubt it?