Can Apostolics be Democrats?

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Sam

Ted Kennedy once explained how health insurance will will be provided and cost us nothing. He said, "If you work, your employer will pay for it. If you don't work, the government will pay for it."

I am retired from GE and both my wife and I are on Medicare. Right now, $93.50 is deducted from each of our Social Security checks each month for Medicare. That amounts to $187 per month for both of us or $2244 per year. In addition, we have a supplemental insurance provided by GE to cover some of the stuff the government insurance does not cover. That costs us $208 per month or $2496 per year. So we are currently paying $4740 per year for medical insurance. GE negotiates insurance costs and keeps them low for us but they go up every year. We have already been informed that the deduction from our Social Security checks for Medicare will go up in 2008 as they have in previous years.

As seniors, we see our expenses go up each year as the income remains fixed. This results in what is like a cut in income for us each year. I shudder to think how much of a cut we will take under a Socialist/Democratic administration as they "provide" us with universal health care.

I shutter too. I also get stammering lips but not in a good sort of way.

Remember what happend to Auto liability when it became mandated by the government? It skyrocketed in price.

There is nothing free. If some thinks that Health insurance is free because they get it from the company that they work for, they should not get out of bed in the morning. They are too blind. There is absolutely nothing free. You pay and you pay more when the government gets involved in it.

Under all of these Democrat Health insurance plans including Edwards, Hillary's and Osama's, it will all be government mandated. There is not much difference in either of their plans. A health insurance plan that would normally run five or six hundred dollars a month 80/20 co-pay with drug benefits, will double under a government mandate in a short period of time...just like auto insurance did.

But the unwashed masses that believe their lies will vote for them thinking that they are getting something FOR FREE. Hahaha... The rest of us can only laugh at the duped children following the Pied Piper merrily along.

Don't tell them that there is nothing free. They will think that you are dumb, being the progressives that they are.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

To All My Democrat Friends:
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only Americain the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, cree d, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee’.


To My Republican Friends:

Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year!

This is funny, but a mischaracterization.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

This is really funny...in a wierd kind of way.

Much of the deceived public by the notion of Universal Health Care are enthusiastic about their six Democrat candidates who have promised that they would work toward getting it implemented.

It is really funny and absurd too.

The Universal Health Care plan works like the Universal Auto Insurance plan. If you drive a car on public thoroughfares, you MUST have insurnace. The government is not going to give it to you FREE. You must find a provider to buy it from.

That's really NEAT. So it is with Universal Health Care. The government will MANDATE, under their proposals that YOU BUY IT. When Hillary is pressed on the question how it is that she feels that the government can MANDATE that every citizen BUY health care for themselves, she says, "The same way that the government is already MANDATING that Auto Insurance be bought."

When asked about what kind of penalties would she suggests to be imposed upon an objector that refuses it, she said, "That is something that would have to be negotiated and worked out in Congress."

The Democrat party is the party of slavery. If you like bondage, then that is the party for you. Go for it. Personally, I don't like government mandates.

But anyway, thinking back over the Auto Insurance that the government mandated I recall how cheap the insurance was before the mandate. After the insurance companies bought and paid for enough Democrat politicians they finally got that law passed, state by state. What happened to the prive of Auto Insurance? I remember it WELL. The price went right through the roof.

What do you think will happen to the cost of Health Insurance when it becomes mandated by the government that you buy it? Right! The price will go right through the roof. Why? Well just think about it. It is really simple economics...good economics when the health providers and drug companies have the majority politicians in their shirt pockets...completely bought and paid for by the likes of George Soros and all other stock manipulators who care NOTHING about health care for all Americans but only for their balooning portfolios.

Meanwhile, with the climbing costs as the results of government mandates, in the name of "caring" and "compassion" (what a crock) are forcing more and more companies off shore. Under the Clinton Administration they begin leaving by the droves. Do you remember the story of Studebaker car company?

If you think that the Democrat party is in love with you...I hardly know what to say. When they realize that they can stay in power by giving the keys of the treasury to the insane for a vote, they will do it.

Meanwhile, there is not much left of our nation that was established on the principles of the free enterprise system. Little will be left for our children and their children. Personal responsibility is an outdated idea, nanny government to take care of us all is very much in vogue in the Democrat party.

The plans on the table with most Democrats today are more similar to the free market Republican ideas.

The idea is that "market forces" will drive down cost. If everyone was insured then hospitals will get paid. If hospitals get paid they have no loss to hand down to the consumer. If those losses are not handed down to the consumer the insurance companies will be challenged to lower insurance premiums.

It's real basic economics dude.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The plans on the table with most Democrats today are more similar to the free market Republican ideas.

The idea is that "market forces" will drive down cost. If everyone was insured then hospitals will get paid. If hospitals get paid they have no loss to hand down to the consumer. If those losses are not handed down to the consumer the insurance companies will be challenged to lower insurance premiums.

It's real basic economics dude.

Actually the plans being introduced by the Democrats right now will not remedy the situation. We need to either start turning people away from emergency rooms if they don't have insurance or move to a single payer system. There is the off chance that if the Democrats mandate health insurance it might drive costs down seeing that it's so high because we're paying for so many of the uninsured right now in higher premiums. If they offer a government insurance program to compete with the private insurance program it will not only drive costs of health care down, thus effecting insurance rates, it will cause competition between the government system and the private system...thus using the market forces you spoke of to force insurance companies to lower costs to keep customers. The Democrats are banking on the fact that since the government plan will be cheaper because it will cost less in taxes than the private plans with premiums and co-pays that most voluntarily move to the public system.

[ChristopherHall]

If yall want to depate health care in the US we can go here:


http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...703#post300703

My point is that an Apostolic can be a Democrat...but be advised...their Republican brothers will hate them and spit all kinds of vitrol upon them.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

If yall want to depate health care in the US we can go here:


http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...703#post300703

My point is that an Apostolic can be a Democrat...but be advised...their Republican brothers will hate them and spit all kinds of vitrol upon them.

Hmmmmm....I'm wondering, CH, are you a Democrat? Do you feel that hatred and vitriol is being spewed upon you?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

To All My Democrat Friends:
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only Americain the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, cree d, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee’.


To My Republican Friends:

Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year!

I gotta say, Rhoni, THAT was a golden nugget for the liberals...be they D's or be they R's, and most of them are probably D's!!

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Hmmmmm....I'm wondering, CH, are you a Democrat? Do you feel that hatred and vitriol is being spewed upon you?

You have a good point here....

Anytime you are hemmed up into a corner with no answer to reason, of course it would be called vitriol. Naturally...

[Sam]

This makes the rounds on email every so often. I have not checked with Snopes to see if it is true or not. It may be just another of those urban legends which make the rounds.

Our Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
Incomes into the Program,

3.) That the money the participants elected to put
Into the Program would be deductible from
Their income for tax purposes each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the
Independent "Trust Fund" rather than into the
General operating fund, and therefore, would
Only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees
Would never be taxed as income.


Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
Now receiving a Social Security check every month -- And then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the Federal government to "put
away" -- you may be interested in the following:

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I: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
Independent "Trust Fund" and put it into the
General fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
Controlled House and Senate.

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Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
Deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

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Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
"tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

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Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving
Annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!

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Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn
around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security
away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

[Hawkman]

I can't even believe that we are discussing the merits of socialism! If the democrats have their way, the US will be socialistic and everyone will be paupers except the elite. Form the womb to the tomb, that is how the dems want to take care of us and keep us under their governmental thumb. Boy, I just can't wait to totally lose my freedom and become like a communist country. Why don't we just quit fooling around and ask Hugo Chavez to take the presidency? Sheesh!