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Old 05-30-2017, 04:36 PM
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I've done no such thing!

You must believe Paul kicked Christ off His judgment seat as well, sin he named sin and stated very clearly that those who were in sin would die.

"Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil"

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

That Paul! How dare he kick Christ off His judgment seat!
Do you believe women police officers or serving in the military carrying arms etc are going to hell?

Do you believe Suzy New Convert, who has not yet had your Bible study on why she shouldn't be carrying concealed, is going to hell right along with the homos, adulterers, and satanists?
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Is snorting cocaine okay? Is it sin? Please give me specific Biblical passages to support your position. If you cannot, you must believe pedophilia is okay.

Is snorting cocaine a sin, or not? If you say yes, but you do not need a SPECIFIC passage condemning insufflation of processed coca powder, then you cannot demand a SPECIFIC passage condemning females wearing pants.
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Keep laughing, chuckles. Use that reading comprehension you posted of pages ago. Barnes was NOT speaking only of the Levites. Read it again.

"""Coat - The Jews wore two principal garments, an interior and an exterior. The interior, here called the "coat," or the tunic was made commonly of linen and encircled the whole body, extending down to the knees. Sometimes beneath this garment, as in the case of the priests there was another garment to corresponding to pantaloons. The coat, or tunic, was extended to the neck, and had long or short sleeves. Over this was commonly worn an upper garment, here called "cloak" or mantle. It was made commonly nearly square of different sizes, five or six cubits long, and as many broad and wrapped around the body and thrown off when labor was performed. This was the garment which is said to have been without seam woven throughout. John xix 23 If, said Christ, an adversary wished to obtain at law one of these garments rather than contend with him, let have the other also."""

The comment about the priests was included, but the context as whole was NOT about priests only.
Barnes clearly references the priesthood; hence, the use of the word "priest". Now you may believe women were priests but I do not. So go back to the drawing board and try again.

Still waiting for your Biblical evidence...

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You know what you did there, right? In your attempt to be cute and try to get that "gotcha" moment, you fell into your own dumb trap. If you cannot provide scripture where cocaine, specifically, is condemned, you must believe pedophilia is okay. If you cannot provide scripture where pot, specifically, is condemned, you must believe pedophilia is okay.
You and Aquila's logic is one that requires specific mentioning of pants being forbidden. This has been the logic displayed for hundreds of posts. I have even mentioned that although pants is not specifically mentioned it is encompassed within Deu. 22:5 because pants are worn and Deu. 22:5
is concerned with things that are worn - like pants.

Now, since the detractors logic has demanded a specific command against women wearing pants then, to be consistent that would also demand a specific command against peyote and pedophilia. So, do you believe pedophilia is a sin? Where is it specifically called a sin in the Bible?

Still waiting for the women wearing pants...

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Dumb.
Yes, the detractors logic is dumb.

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And for the umpteenth time, priests in underwear and 3 Jewish dudes wearing hose don't support your claim that only men wore pants.
Ignoring the facts does no help your cause. It makes you look foolish.

The Bible still says they were wearing pants:
Dan 3:21 (ABP) Then those men were shackled with their pantaloons,G4552.1 G1473 and tiaras, and leggings, and their garments. And they were thrown into the midst of the [2furnace 3of fire 1burning],

(Dan 3:21 ERV) So Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were tied up and thrown into the hot furnace. They were wearing their robes, pants, cloth caps, and other clothes.


Daniel 3:21 (LXX) Then those men were bound with their coats, and caps, and hose, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace

LXX+
Dan 3:21 τοτεG5119 ADV οιG3588 T-NPM ανδρεςG435 N-NPM εκεινοιG1565 D-NPM επεδηθησανV-API-3P συνG4862 PREP τοιςG3588 T-DPN σαραβαροιςN-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ τιαραιςN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ περικνημισιN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ ενδυμασινG1742 N-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ εβληθησανG906 V-API-3P ειςG1519 PREP μεσονG3319 A-ASM τηςG3588 T-GSF καμινουG2575 N-GSF τουG3588 T-GSN πυροςG4442 N-GSN τηςG3588 T-GSF καιομενηςG2545 V-PMPGS

H5622
סרבּל (Aramaic) (LXX – σαραβαροις
sarbal
Dictionary of the Targumim, Talmud Bavli, Talmud Yerushalmi and Midrashic Literature, Marcus Jastrow, 1022a – Pers. Trousers.

Dan 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats (σαραβαρα LXX) changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

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Dan 3:27 [3:94] καιG2532 CONJ συναγονταιG4863 V-PMI-3P οιG3588 T-NPM σατραπαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM στρατηγοιG4755 N-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM τοπαρχαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM δυνασταιG1413 N-NPM τουG3588 T-GSM βασιλεωςG935 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ εθεωρουνG2334 V-IAI-3P τουςG3588 T-APM ανδραςG435 N-APM οτιG3754 CONJ ουκG3364 ADV εκυριευσενG2961 V-AAI-3S τοG3588 T-NSN πυρG4442 N-NSN τουG3588 T-GSN σωματοςG4983 N-GSN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF θριξG2359 N-NSF τηςG3588 T-GSF κεφαληςG2776 N-GSF αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV εφλογισθηG5394 V-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN σαραβαραN-NPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV ηλλοιωθηV-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ οσμηG3744 N-NSF πυροςG4442 N-GSN ουκG3364 ADV ηνG1510 V-IAI-3S ενG1722 PREP αυτοιςG846 D-DPM

Ancient Greek to English Dictionary
σαραβαρα
A loose trousers worn by Scythians, Antiph.201; also = Aramaic sarbālîn, LXX, Thd.Da.3.27 (cf. 21). (Prob. Persian shalvâr or shulvâr (braccae).)
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Daniel 3:27 (WEB) The satraps, the deputies, and the governors, and the king's counselors, being gathered together, saw these men, that the fire had no power on their bodies, nor was the hair of their head singed, neither were their pants changed, nor had the smell of fire passed on them.

STILL waiting for that ONE passage where godly women wore pants...

Now, I am also waiting for your specific passage that says pedophilia is sin.
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Old 05-30-2017, 04:45 PM
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This is a trip.

The cons are openly advocating coddling abominations and not calling sin "sin." At least one claims there are two sets of standards, one set for newborn Christians and one set for mature Christians.
This is a misrepresentation and you know that.

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Meanwhile, "liberals" like Aquila and I are branded as meanies and legalists because we refuse to coddle abomination and actually call sin what it is, "sin."
Another misrepresentation. You are being legalistic in your demand for every Christian to be perfect in obedience to ALL commands (including those not yet known) at the moment of initial conversion, with no allowance for growth in knowledge and obedience.

But then again, you appear to believe that once a person is born again there is nothing left to improve on in their life except maybe their internet debate skills.
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Do you believe women police officers or serving in the military carrying arms etc are going to hell?

Do you believe Suzy New Convert, who has not yet had your Bible study on why she shouldn't be carrying concealed, is going to hell right along with the homos, adulterers, and satanists?
No, I do not. I do not believe Deuteronomy 22:5 applies to the new covenant believers. Nor do the dietary laws, or other laws requiring ancient Jews to observe feasts, etc.

You and Pliny are trying very hard at that "gotcha" moment, but it's a dumpster fire of failure.
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No, I do not. I do not believe Deuteronomy 22:5 applies to the new covenant believers. Nor do the dietary laws, or other laws requiring ancient Jews to observe feasts, etc.

You and Pliny are trying very hard at that "gotcha" moment, but it's a dumpster fire of failure.
So, it doesn't matter what Deut 22:5 means, it just flat out has no applicability to anyone today? Or only to today's non-Christians?

So then a man CAN put on a woman's garment, and a woman CAN wear that which pertains to a man - as long as they are Christians?

I'm not trying to find any "gotcha" moments, you provide them all rather freely.
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Is snorting cocaine a sin, or not? If you say yes, but you do not need a SPECIFIC passage condemning insufflation of processed coca powder, then you cannot demand a SPECIFIC passage condemning females wearing pants.
I'll take "Let's name the most ridiculous scenario in a feeble attempt to prove a point," for $500, Alex.

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I'll take "Let's name the most ridiculous scenario in a feeble attempt to prove a point," for $500, Alex.

In other words you are defeated and all your base are belong to us.

Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
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So, it doesn't matter what Deut 22:5 means, it just flat out has no applicability to anyone today? Or only to today's non-Christians?

So then a man CAN put on a woman's garment, and a woman CAN wear that which pertains to a man - as long as they are Christians?

I'm not trying to find any "gotcha" moments, you provide them all rather freely.
So you don't wear two kinds of threads, you don't eat shellfish or other prohibited meat. And you follow all the feasts?

Keep trying.
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So you don't wear two kinds of threads, you don't eat shellfish or other prohibited meat. And you follow all the feasts?

Keep trying.
Actually, that's correct.

Next?
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