Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns - Page 122

tex · #**1211** 11-13-2012, 07:38 AM

he won't get a dime of severance pay.

CC1 · #**1212** 11-13-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tex

he won't get a dime of severance pay.

Is this your wish or do you actually know this?

As a church member I would have a hard time if the board or church voted to give severance.

While I don't know of any pastors under some kind of "morality clause" in their contract like professional sports players have I think from a practical and moral standpoint it should be out of the question under the circumstances. Too many pastors justify huge incomes and things like this severance package when they have failed by looking at their church as a business when it is not.

It would be one thing if the man had admitted guilt, confessed fully, asked the church to forgive him, and was seeking restoration through an accountability group, etc, etc.

In that instance I would be open to some severance package (although not the figures being bandied about now) for the sake of his wife.

Under the present circumstances I would continue to pray for him while seeking full restitution for any monies proven to be mishandled but he would not see a dime of severance.

I pray that the report that the board had not retained a lawyer while TB has is not true. They need to protect the church's interest in this situation and need both forensic accounting done (which I think someone said they are doing) and legal advice.

bishoph · #**1213** 11-13-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

While I don't know of any pastors under some kind of "morality clause" in their contract like professional sports players have I think from a practical and moral standpoint it should be out of the question under the circumstances. Too many pastors justify huge incomes and things like this severance package when they have failed by looking at their church as a business when it is not.

In reference to the bolded portion: In our church by-laws (which, though their not, IMO should be in all church by-laws) we do have a morality clause that states that should the pastor or any staff member be found to have engaged in conduct un-becoming of a minister he/she may be terminated with no severance paid. Their only severance, so to speak, would only consist of wages/benefits due at the time of dismissal.

rgcraig · #**1214** 11-13-2012, 12:16 PM

Tv and RUReady - seriously, you guys need to continue your sidebar dialogue on another thread.

MissBrattified · #**1215** 11-13-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Tv and RUReady - seriously, you guys need to continue your sidebar dialogue on another thread.

I agree; let's make it official.

rgcraig · #**1216** 11-13-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by canam

im calling fake on jd again

Not at all. I've met JD and he's the real deal.

onetongue · #**1217** 11-13-2012, 12:30 PM

As I stated in my post quite awhile back, I'm a 15 year member at TPC. The facebook photo and deactivation of his acct is correct. As far as a BMW, I'm not aware of that being his current automobile. However, the last automobile that I knew he had, was a Cadillac Escalade "V", the "SuperCharged" edition. My hobby is, old cars and I also make it a point to keep in tune with the new ones as well. Especially the limited edition and rare production ones. So if you know anything about Cadillacs and their "V" models, you will know that they're limited production models, and especially the "Escalade V." You will find a "CTS V" on almost every Cadillac dealerships lot, but an "Escalade V" is a rarity and very hard to come by. A normal Escalade costs around $80,000 on average, depending on options. But an "Escalade V" will cost you around $100,000-$110,000 on average. I can't say for sure, the church paid for this vehicle, but I've been told we did. However, I do know we bought his previous Escalade, prior to the "V" model. There was many things that several TPC members were concerned about, in regards to TB and his egotistical attitude, before this all was uncovered. And it wasn't within the last year or so either, it was an issue and topic of discussion for many years. However, since he was a "big" name in the UPCI, and people looked up to him and respected him merely on the fact, nobody questioned it, or dared to bring it up openly. I know of a few who did and TB had them removed from the church. TB told the TPC members close to these situations, that these rogue members were sewing discord, which is an abomination and biblically speaking, they had to be removed. I could go on and on, but that's not my intention here. Yes, I'm upset and hurt with the way TB has done our church. Especially after all we have done for him & his family. But the truth needs to be told. From what I see and from what I understand, TB is not a repented man. He's still trying to use TPC for his financial gain. Shame on him! Yes, no man is perfect and we all have fell short of God's glory, but we can't sit back and allow TB to continue using us. It's time to come clean and tell it like it is. Maybe then TB will humble himself before God and ask for forgiveness. I remember when TB preached a message a few years ago, he titled it, "Those that can be shaken will be shaken... Are you watching, or are you waiting?" Well what is it TB, are you watching, or are you waiting? So far, it don't look like he can be shaken, that's for sure. I plead the Blood of Jesus over TB soul...

rgcraig · #**1218** 11-13-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree; let's make it official.

Thanks, MissB

Cindy · #**1219** 11-13-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree; let's make it official.

The Lemon · #**1220** 11-13-2012, 12:55 PM

The answer is really simple common sense...stop running a church like a business...PERIOD. There are many good truth preaching pastors out there who are in fact full time ministers...there are also those who start out that way and end up treating the church like a profit center and their own personal bank.

Lead people, feed them and let God give the increase...don't train them to expect you at every bekon call and for every reason. Don't run the assembly alone, but have elders that can help minister in Word, Hospital Visits etc.

I just shake my head because here in this country we have done alot of this ourselves by adopting the building system to begin with - I still believe true ministry is one on one, not one on 500, or more. Seriously, the owner of my 250M a year company does not drive a $100,000 car. I just don't get it, nor agree with it at all...