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Old 10-21-2007, 02:02 PM
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This type of discussion is a perfect example of how labels such as Conservative, Liberal, Open minded, close minded, can have polar opposite meanings depending on the context.

Some of the most closed minded, stubborn people I know happen to be members of the liberal, "far left". I also know some extremely conservative relatives that also fall into that category ("Yup, I don't believe that because I was always taught this.... Yup yup yup" or "If it ain't in the bible it don't happen! So take you 'dinio-sores' and 'black holes' and 'super-novas' and put them where they belong -in satans pit!").

THEN there are those who I consider extremely open minded and liberal, yet politically (and spiritually) are some of the most conservative I know.


So Randy, are you open to anything and everything, or do you set limits?
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:13 PM
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I think if I could name ONE limit that I will not ever turn from is that belief that God cannot lie. (He can send a delusion but that is different for purposes of this discussion.)

Everything I read, hear, and witness is filtered though that basic principle.
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:16 PM
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I think if I could name ONE limit that I will not ever turn from is that belief that God cannot lie. (He can send a delusion but that is different for purposes of this discussion.)

Everything I read, hear, and witness is filtered though that basic principle.
What about people who are open-minded enough to think child abuse (I'm being vague here) is okay?

Surely there are some limits.
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:21 PM
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That IS being a bit vague. LOL

Ok, just to play devils advocate, what if you take a country where it is common for 12 and 13 year olds to marry. Now, enter an apostolic church in one of those countries. Would the church automatically take on an Americanized view of adulthood and marriage? Or would they look at it through the filter of that countries culture as to the age of consent? Just a thought.

As far as "abuse" goes, it sorta falls into the 2nd greatest commandment of "loving you neighbor as yourself" or in the case of "abuse", NOT loving them -then applying the modifier as it pertains to children -"It would be better to put a millstone around your neck....".
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:42 PM
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Open-mindedness can mean tolerating Jezebel.
I see what you're saying, PP. If we aren't all inclusive and tolerate the lifestyles of others we, as Christians, are called closed minded but that is the world's definition not the Bible's.

That's different from what the God would call closed minded....stiffnecked and obstinate, unwilling to listen or obey the truth of the word of God.
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How do you know Thomas's doubt was sin? The others got to see Jesus first, and they had the exact same reason to believe he had risen that Thomas did: they saw him! When Thomas saw Jesus, he believed, too. Thomas doubted what he heard the others tell him. Not what Jesus told him.
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Conservatives are very open minded to anything that makes them more close minded!
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:48 PM
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I see what you're saying, PP. If we aren't all inclusive and tolerate the lifestyles of others we, as Christians, are called closed minded but that is the world's definition not the Bible's.

That's different from what the God would call closed minded....stiffnecked and obstinate, unwilling to listen or obey the truth of the word of God.
Exactly.

I also think that there are some so-called "Christian" doctrines that, after initial consideration, we should close our minds to. Nothing wrong with questioning, but some things just are.
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So Randy, are you open to anything and everything, or do you set limits?
being open to anything and everything is not the same as being an open minded person. Open mindedness does not mean trying everything or anything
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What about people who are open-minded enough to think child abuse (I'm being vague here) is okay?

Surely there are some limits.
open minded people don't think child abuse is ok and if they do it has nothing to do with being open minded. That's a morality issue
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