Ministerial Ethics, Dropping Out and TV: Did You Forget You Agreed to This?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Darcie

No you didn't!

Well, you've got to know the whole story. When my husband and I disaffiliated the church (or rather, the church voted to..) the presbyter came up and did exactly that. Then next time this song came on the oldies station my husband and I looked at each other and laughed. The rest is history. I can't hear this song without thinking about that.

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by ILG

Well, you've got to know the whole story. When my husband and I disaffiliated the church (or rather, the church voted to..) the presbyter came up and did exactly that. Then next time this song came on the oldies station my husband and I looked at each other and laughed. The rest is history. I can't hear this song without thinking about that.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Well, it was very politically correct, the way he did it. It was more like: Well, you know....sometimes pastors want to unaffiliate and then the church has no protection if the pastor wants to take all the money. It's been known to happen! Be careful how you vote! And he read a "concerned letter" from the district.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by ILG

It is absolutely not bogus. The men who do that believe they are doing God's will and are just as passionate about what they believe as the conservatives. To think anything else is, in reality, quite arrogant.

You're missing my point, Sister.

The intent of this thread was to call in question the integrity of men who would disaffiliate.

Their act was compared to signing the AS and then violating it.

Nobody signed a statement promising never to disaffiliate.

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by ILG

Well, it was very politically correct, the way he did it. It was more like: Well, you know....sometimes pastors want to unaffiliate and then the church has no protection if the pastor wants to take all the money. It's been known to happen! Be careful how you vote! And he read a "concerned letter" from the district.

Well as long as he was politcally correct about it.












NOT!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The bolded statement is one thing that confuses me, C.S.

Did these same conservatives feel betrayed back in 1970's when the ban was put into place? By passing the ban on TV ministry and ads the UPCI was making the same type of change as they made last week. Wasn't there a "betrayal" at that time as well?

The ban, whenever it was passed, wasmade in the direction of separation.

This vote went the other way--toward embracing what they consider a slide toward worldliness.

What we did in Tampa was reverse a position on one of our distinctives that we had agreed on as a corporate body.

That is something we had never done before. Herein lies the rub.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You're missing my point, Sister.

The intent of this thread was to call in question the integrity of men who would disaffiliate.

Their act was compared to signing the AS and then violating it.

Nobody signed a statement promising never to disaffiliate.

They are part of an organization which ministerial ethics calls for not alienating a church from the UPC in any fashion and not using their leadership for such purposes. This is the problem with the AS. It makes everything in the manual subject to dot and tittle negotiation. Seriously, I have no issue with unaffiliating a church. What I have an issue with is the accusations that the cons have made for years about lying and bad spirits and other nonsense and now in all liklihood doing the same things in the name of protecting the people. It is not a moot point. I think all the name calling about hypocrisy has got to go. But then the cons wouldn't be cons.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Well as long as he was politcally correct about it.












NOT!

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Bro. you are in a tight spot.... I do not envy you...

I'm sure that there are going to be many in your shoes.

Does your pastor know how you feel? If not you need to tell him

Also if you really don't want to leave the UPC then don't. Sometimes doing what we feel is right is not easy...trust me I know what I'm talking about. But sometimes you gotta look out for what you feel is right for YOU.

I have talked with him, and he understands how I feel. The only thing that I'm getting from him is, "we are praying about it". I told him not to make any hasty decisions, so we'll see.

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I have talked with him, and he understands how I feel. The only thing that I'm getting from him is, "we are praying about it". I told him not to make any hasty decisions, so we'll see.

Well then do just that. You will hear from God. And when you do, your next steps will be clear.