Is Acts 2:38 your god?

[J-Roc]

Actually, saved folks obey Acts 2:38!

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Actually, saved folks obey Acts 2:38!

At what point can any of us really say we are saved?


Ezekiel 18:24 (KJV) 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Actually, saved folks obey Acts 2:38!

So someone can be saved before repenting?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So someone can be saved before repenting?

Where have you been hiding? Check out the thread with over a thousand posts on it!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

At what point can any of us really say we are saved?


Ezekiel 18:24 (KJV) 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Good post RevDWW!

I have a slight problem with the word "saved" some times.

Saved from what?

Hell? Sin? Self?

Most people really want to be saved from Hell. The idea of leaving sin and self behind is an entirely different matter.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So someone can be saved before repenting?

Was referring to PAJCers step 2 and 3 hurdles to salvation...sorry for not clarifying.

[Felicity]

If I can't know that I am "saved" here and now - today - then I have a weak and ineffective God and an inconsequential salvation.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

If I can't know that I am "saved" here and now - today - then I have a weak and ineffective God and an inconsequential salvation.

Not my point at all.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

At what point can any of us really say we are saved?

Anyone who thinks like this appears to be living in fear. I choose to fear not concerning my salvation for I am comforted by the LORD.


"But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." (1 John)



"But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid." (Jeremiah 46)

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." (Romans 8)

"And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love." (Romans 8)

"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1)

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

In a captivating message at the 2007 BOTT, Jeff Arnold, a solid PAJCer, and a favorite preacher of mine, remarked that many within the movement have not moved beyond Acts 2:38 and Knowing the book.

He went as far to exhort the listeners that many in the movement don't really KNOW GOD.

One interesting quote from the message and I paraphrase is .....

"You are married to doctrine and have divorced youself from Deity."

What say ye of this message? I will post audio of the message later.

Have some made Acts 2:38 and standards THE MESSAGE ... while Jesus is sitting on the outside looking in????


Just asking a question ....

Let me address this.

First, Jeff Arnold made a stupid remark when he stated that "Many in the movement do not know God". Does he have statistics on this?? Has he got a line to God where God has told him this? JA is real good at being a "shock jock" type preacher, IMHO.

His statement "You are married to doctrine and have divorced yourself from Deity" is another "Shock Jock" type comment. If examined, this is as ignorant a statement as the first one. The Word, which is exalted even above the name of Jesus, is profitable for DOCTRINE. We only know God by knowing his DOCTRINE.

Paul must have thought DOCTRINE was pretty important when he stated to Timothy:

1Ti 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

and

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

or his warning to those that did not want DOCTRINE.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


John sums it up nicely when he says:

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:


Lets face the facts that God places a great emphasis upon doctrine, because it is by doctrine that we can know Christ. Evidentially, JA does not have that same emphesis.