Brother, I do not believe in any of this stuff about a woman laying her hair on somebody or something to release angelic power. I fear it has the same connotation as an occult practice, that of using a talisman or a charm to get spirits to do one's bidding/request. As for what I've said on the subject, about three years ago, I did a chapter by chapter review with one book containing this teaching about "guardians of the glory". I find no scriptural basis for such a teaching.
I just take issue with somebody taking a broad slap at the many faithful, humble, loving, compassionate servants of God who are pastors and leaders, and who feed the flock of God with an understanding of their accountability to the Chief Shepherd. It irritates me, so I highlighted it and commented.
And now, back to the discussion at hand!
Ok. I am glad you don't believe this nonsense. My opinion is that it's the next phase of what I consider to be a basic misunderstanding of God's Word to begin with. In other words, it's an outgrowth of the uncut hair doctrine. I am wondering where it will lead to next. I can, however, see how you would take issue with what has been said. I think the teaching is more than stupid; it's dangerous, but I don't think this Sister is stupid.
I have viewed this thread and others like it and commented, yet I did not read the opening post. Thus I did not know this pic was on the UPCI site.
It disturbs me that well meaning, God fearing, consecrated, Sanctified women are being drawn into this kind of thing.
In my opinion it is almost a form of idolatry, and as a side note...without making any commentary, when I saw the pic on the UPCI website, I called my mother in to look at it.
She is 76 years old and has been saved 57 years...she asked, "Are they worshipping their hair?!"
I'm not all that surprised because this is exactly the kind of thing that has been predicted happening and that some of us have given warning about. And now, you have this teaching having spread far and wide and how is it going to be fixed?
I watched as a group of pastors sat on a platform where RR was speaking giving gave nods of assent, amens and uh-huh's to some statements that I considered problematic - and no they weren't direct references to the "uncut hair/protection of the angels ..... cut hair/bad things will happen to you" although indirectly alluded to.
I was amazed that there seemed to be solidarity of agreement .... and that there wasn't at least one of those older mature men who showed a little less than being in perfect accord with what was being preached by Sis. RR.
Guess it will be up to the individual pastors to tackle this head-on by making sure the ladies in their church don't get tangled up in this foolishness. but would they feel at liberty to do that if the DS was in harmony with the "magic hair" (for lack of a better definition) doctrine? They might fear the consequence of taking a stand.
I can see a pastor teaching long hair and expressing that he would prefer that women not cut their hair -- that Paul's teaching seemed to indicate that.
But hair determining angelic protection (which is really the protection of God Almighty Himself) or lack of it? No way! And pastors need to wake up and make sure the women if they hear this being taught recognize it as unbiblical.
Well, that's my little rant for the day.
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I'm not all that surprised because this is exactly the kind of thing that has been predicted happening and that some of us have given warning about. And now, you have this teaching having spread far and wide and how is it going to be fixed?
I watched as a group of pastors sat on a platform and gave nods of assent, amens and uh-huh's to some statements that I considered problematic - and no they weren't direct references to the "uncut hair/protection of the angels ..... cut hair/bad things will happen to you" although indirectly alluded to.
I was amazed that there seemed to be solidarity of agreement .... and that there wasn't at least one of those older mature men who showed a little less than being in perfect accord with what was being preached by Sis. RR.
Guess it will be up to the individual pastors to tackle this head-on by making sure the ladies in their church don't get tangled up in this foolishness. but would they feel at liberty to do that if the DS was in harmony with the "magic hair" (for lack of a better definition) doctrine? They might fear the consequence of taking a stand.
I can see a pastor teaching long hair and expressing that he would prefer that women not cut their hair -- that Paul's teaching seemed to indicate that.
But hair determining angelic protection (which is really the protection of God Almighty Himself) or lack of it? No way! And pastors need to wake up and make sure the women if they hear this being taught recognize it as unbiblical.
Well, that's my little rant for the day.
And a good one...
I have a SIL, a pastor's wife, who told me three years ago about going to a retreat and hearing a testimony about this. It seemed weird to me, but thought it was no doubt an isolated thing...was I ever wrong.
Reading not only this, but other such comments brings tears to my eyes and causes me to weep.
I think we need to think before speaking out and calling things dumb and stupid. I will agree that we cannot be carried away with things like this, but it's things like this, and people talking about it in this way, that allows satan to get a foothold in our lives and rob us of truths written in the Word of God.
I still believe that a woman's hair is her covering, and it is a shame to cut it. I still believe the Bible teaches that if a man has long hair it is a shame.
I think the story of Mary using her long hair to dry Jesus' feet is a beautiful story. I'm sure some of those posting on this forum would have called her stupid and dumb for doing such a ridiculous thing. But sometimes we get like Paul - 'beside ourselves' - and react to the presence of God in a way that is not 'politically correct'. No, I don't think the ladies that have let down their hair are in idolatry or witchcraft, and I think we need to be careful of judging them so, lest satan take advantage of us, and rob us of the promises God has given us for our obedience to His Word.
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Originally Posted by Ferd
Commitment to biblical truths is no reason to allow or accept heresy.
That Paul teaches a woman should have long hair and a man short is unquestionable. That does not mean, it is ok for our leadership to give the nod of approval to false doctrine! This summoning angels by letting your hair down is false doctrine and will lead people away from the important truths of scripture.
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Originally Posted by SISTER Murphy
Brother, I do not believe in any of this stuff about a woman laying her hair on somebody or something to release angelic power. I fear it has the same connotation as an occult practice, that of using a talisman or a charm to get spirits to do one's bidding/request. As for what I've said on the subject, about three years ago, I did a chapter by chapter review with one book containing this teaching about "guardians of the glory". I find no scriptural basis for such a teaching.
It's wrong. It's ridiculous. The UPC needs to stand against it, or else be led into a damnable lie.
Perhaps it would be better that the UPC not be on television. All it would take is one of these women's conferences to be broadcast showing this kind of foolish garbage and it would be on the news, in the papers and elsewhere.
If I ever see something like this in a service or church I'm attending, it will be the last time I'll be there.
I still have the Prophecy Digest book series.......LOL!
Makes for funny reading today!
Oh my Lord, you are back!!!! You better go check that other place. They are trying to whip you around. lol! I'm not commenting as it wouldn't do any good.
I don't see how its any different than say...people at the altar dancing .. or raising hands up .. or people running the aisles; other accepted forms or acts of worship in any Pentecostal or Jesusname church.
People on the 'outside' looking in also consider these things above.. foolishness..or even heresy ( catholics or baptists aren't known for doing any of those things ) ..many other denominations(?) even think that the very practice of JESUSname baptism is downright dangerous, false doctrine, etc.
BUT..we KNOW better right?
I don't see what all the fuss is about anyway., and not just because I'm NOT UPC..
I mean if all the people who ARE or have always been proudly UPC now suddenly are taken aback at something like this -what can this possibly mean?
WHom can be in error?
Just curious.
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I don't see how its any different than say...people at the altar dancing .. or raising hands up .. or people running the aisles; other accepted forms or acts of worship in any Pentecostal or Jesusname church.
People on the 'outside' looking in also consider these things above.. foolishness..or even heresy ( catholics or baptists aren't known for doing any of those things ) ..many other denominations(?) even think that the very practice of JESUSname baptism is downright dangerous, false doctrine, etc.
BUT..we KNOW better right? I don't see what all the fuss is about anyway., and not just because I'm NOT UPC..
I mean if all the people who ARE or have always been proudly UPC now suddenly are taken aback at something like this -what can this possibly mean?
WHom can be in error?
Just curious.
Dear simplyme,
The things you have mentioned (raised hands in worship, dancing before the Lord, etc), can be found in scripture, just read the Psalms.
As for Jesus' Name baptism, that, too, is totally scriptural, just read the book of Acts.
This is not true for this practice of having a lady let down her uncut hair over a bunch of prayer requests, or to 'loose' angelic power in a service.
Do you think that, just because something happens in a UPC church service somewhere, it must be of God, just because we are UPC?
The things you have mentioned (raised hands in worship, dancing before the Lord, etc), can be found in scripture, just read the Psalms.
As for Jesus' Name baptism, that, too, is totally scriptural, just read the book of Acts.
This is not true for this practice of having a lady let down her uncut hair over a bunch of prayer requests, or to 'loose' angelic power in a service.
Do you think that, just because something happens in a UPC church service somewhere, it must be of God, just because we are UPC?
Thank you, SM,
I found that I was curious as to your response.
Not a good thing to teach to a bunch of ladies. Their faith would naturally fall on the length of their hair and, IMO, cause them to be more judgmental to others.
I still don't understand I Cor 11. To have "long" hair, which is "tresses of hair" doesn't, as HO said, cover some races of people. "Uncut" can't satisfy that either because even if you didn't trim or cut it, you still wouldn't get "tresses" of hair.
Anyway, this portion isn't even talking about hair:
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I Cor 11:8-12 "For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord."
And pastors need to wake up and make sure the women if they hear this being taught recognize it as unbiblical.
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