You know, I may be one of the ones being discussed here without anyone else knowing it.
I have always been a "3-stepper", completely ignorant of any merger, or that the UPCI was formed by PCI & PAJC. Never knew any of that until FCF, really only had one UPC pastor, and he never really got into the whole "organization" thing. He used UPC, ALJC, and independant men without distinction.
But now, I find myself wondering.....
Does a person enter covenant relationship at repentance, or not? Covenant as in contract, where both parties have obligations to fulfill?
Aren't we still preaching 2 commandments and a promise? Does death, for instance, negate a covenant entered into in good faith? Granted, once one repents, baptism and HG infilling should follow, and I teach this, and believe it with my whole heart. But I do not believe that person will go to hell should death interrupt the process.
On a different note, I am open to receive correction, but I must believe the person correcting has my best interests at heart. I visited a church once where the speaker (he was no preacher, IMO) took off on a rant regarding pentecostals. As soon as his attitude entered into his speaking, I turned him off. He may have recited nothing but truth after that, but I didn't hear it. Some of us could learn from this story.
Moses and God had a verbal agreement, but when old Mo neglected to circumcise the youngsters, God "sought to kill him."
I have no desire to be part of your research study, so I guess I'll just refrain from answering your questions in that regard.
Just stick a 'slack-jawed compromiser' stamp on my folder and file it away.
Ron,
The label I am more likely to put on your file is "Pooch-Lipped Pouter" if you continue to insist on trying to take personal offense at everything I say.
I thought I had been cordial with you.
Those "labels" you seem to be getting so worked up about were never applied by me personally to you.
I have thought there was a certain amount of humorous exchange going on here, but you are getting your feelings hurt it looks like, and needlessly.
Well, what bugs me is you hang out on an Apostolic forum - trying to peruade us we are all wrong. Just last night, you said those who disagree with extra-biblical issues should just leave our organization.
Coonskinner is right. You and others claim to be soooooo tolerant, but the proof is in the posts.
ReformedDave is a good man and has great insight to many of the issues that a former generation dealt with in this Pentecostal movement. While probably none of us would agree with his present doctrinal beliefs there are few of us that can bring the historical knowledge he can.
The label I am more likely to put on your file is "Pooch-Lipped Pouter" if you continue to insist on trying to take personal offense at everything I say.
I thought I had been cordial with you.
Those "labels" you seem to be getting so worked up about were never applied by me personally to you.
I have thought there was a certain amount of humorous exchange going on here, but you are getting your feelings hurt it looks like, and needlessly.
Now this is the kind of stuff that gets things moving. I don't have time right now to weigh in, but I love a good, passionate exchange! This is more like it!!!
It would be great to hear from a newfound obstensibly PCIer...that we contend arent exactly PCI...but i think the jury is still out on you....
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Understood, and I have no quarrel with you or Dave. What a strange alliance!
My only point is that just because I disagree, doesn't mean I need to leave the organization. If I ever get to the point where the disagreements hamper my ability to effectively minister I'll be gone. So far, I'm just annoyed by some fruitcakes.
Strange??? If you actually knew me you'd really say 'Amen!'
As long as one doesn't get bitter or goes against one's conscience. I was doing both so I left.
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