Trump 2nd Impeachment- 2 opposing views

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am totally opposed to this idea. The UNITED STATES of America belong to us all collectively. All of it. Every square inch of land and water. Half the country who voted for Trump live in all these states. The other half doesn’t get to take it away.

Actually, the States do not belong to the Union. Each state belongs to the citizens of that particular State. The people of each State are the supreme authority and alone decide whether to continue political associations with other states.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is simply just wrong. Patrick Leahy Is the presiding judge, juror and witness. Yesterday, he was included in the vote to impeach. Good grief.

Yet the GOP endorses this sham by participating at all. It is NOT a Constitutional tribunal. Why hasn't this been appealed to SCOTUS?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Yet the GOP endorses this sham by participating at all. It is NOT a Constitutional tribunal. Why hasn't this been appealed to SCOTUS?

Exactly! Why are the Republicans putting up with this? McConnell is responsible.

The hypocrisy is sickening. Right now, Castro, is talking about Trump saying that they need to stop the count. Trump never said that. Stop the Steal was about voter fraud and irregularities.

And they have the audacity after the summer of burning to focus on a few people, in which, most we from other groups who had pre-planned this attack.

Republicans just letting it slide. Idiots.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Actually, the States do not belong to the Union. Each state belongs to the citizens of that particular State. The people of each State are the supreme authority and alone decide whether to continue political associations with other states.

You are right. That is factual. However, we will do much harm to the country by splitting up into group states. We are an excellent country and all states need to stick together.

[Pressing-On]

I have heard and read a lot of negative comments concerning Trump’s attorney, Bruce Castor. He talked too long, didn’t bring the heat, was boring, .....


I felt he made some good points. I personally don’t mind listening to someone like this. I was interested in his point of view as I knew the team discussed their strategy. I did hear that his plan was to come out and calm down the emotions in the room.

Some of his points I liked:

Each state wants to be proud of their Senator.
Each state wants to trust their Senator to take care of issues that effect them.
Each Senator feels a sense of being “patriotic” for their state.
Each Senator is important and unique.
The US Constitution is important to our country. It was written for a purpose.
Rome fell because of bickering and fights from within. Our Founders spoke on that very issue.
Pre-Revolution history used by the Democrats is ridiculous, because we left the British rule.
Direct hit to Ben Sasse. (Lol) - Surprising that Ben Sasse doesn’t realize that there are pretty smart jurists in Nebraska. Went on to say that Ben Sasse faces the world wind back home.
Taking at hit at Schumer - Castor mentioned that he had used “floodgates” in early argument as “release the world wind” had already been used. (Lol)

He did drone on and paused a bit, having been brought in at the last minute. But, I am not prepared to believe he didn’t have a strategy. I like him.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am totally opposed to this idea. The UNITED STATES of America belong to us all collectively. All of it. Every square inch of land and water. Half the country who voted for Trump live in all these states. The other half doesn’t get to take it away.

Then if it comes up to a referendum make sure you vote early and often!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Actually, the States do not belong to the Union. Each state belongs to the citizens of that particular State. The people of each State are the supreme authority and alone decide whether to continue political associations with other states.

Basically, this.

I would probably actually register and vote if they called a referendum on secession.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Better secession than our children and grandchildren raised in public schools where they are being trained that sodom is the right way. Where they are trained that child sacrifice is good. Where they can say you are a girl when you are a boy and you MUST assent it is true.

We solved the public school problem for our family almost 30 years ago.

Secession starts in the heart.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are right. That is factual. However, we will do much harm to the country by splitting up into group states. We are an excellent country and all states need to stick together.

If we went strictly by the Constitution, the Federal Government would have a very minor role, regardless of how liberal or conservative individual states are. Sadly, we do not go by the Constitution. Thus, separation will be the only way for conservative states to maintain any sense of "Americanism" in the future.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Yet the GOP endorses this sham by participating at all. It is NOT a Constitutional tribunal. Why hasn't this been appealed to SCOTUS?

I doubt they could file directly with SCOTUS but surely Trump could file for an injunction in federal court to start the process.

There is no reason for Pat Leaky Leahy to be acting a Judge, Juror, and Witness.

One of Trump's lawyers made an excellent point that the Dems use the text of the Constitution "President of the United States" to charge Trump but they don't take the same text "President of the United States" when it comes to the Chief Justice being required to preside over the impeachment trial.

Ridiculous. Such brazen hypocrisy and the spineless GOP is just sitting there playing along.