The Beast Is Destroying the Whore

[consapente89]

It’s amazing how one false doctrine begets another.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Seriously? This is your verse? Did you even study it first before you commented on it?

Let's take this verse and look at it together my Brother.

Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Now, when we go the the Hard copy of the Book, we see that the word "man"
is in italics. What does that mean Brother? Doesn't that mean that the word is an interpolation of Scripture? That it was interjected and if you take that word out of the sentence that the Scripture is still true?

So lets look at other versions.

(ALT) on the other hand the One because of His remaining into the age [fig., forever] has the priesthood permanently.

(ASV) but he, because he abideth for ever, hath his priesthood unchangeable.

(BBE) But this priest, because his life goes on for ever, is unchanging.

(CEV) But Jesus will never die, and so he will be a priest forever!

(Darby) but he, because of his continuing for ever, has the priesthood unchangeable.

(GNB) But Jesus lives on forever, and his work as priest does not pass on to someone else.

And the list could go on.

The word man in this verse is a non issue as it was not in the original. The context is the priesthood, not the physical.

Whoops, boom boom!

Who is "this one" being referred to in the verse? Why, a MAN.

This is like watching a PhD in particle physics arguing string theory with the local midget wrestling team.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

The problem here is that you are not studying context.

The context of this chapter is about the eternal priesthood of the son. Not of the man but of the son or even of the sonship.

So this son is going to be a priest forever it says. The sonship is going to make intercession forever. Not like the old testament priests but in the new covenant.

What is the sonship? It is about flesh and divine Spirit coming together to bring about salvation for the lost.

Jesus the Christ, (The flesh bearing the name of the Spirit that indwelled in it) was the first but not the last of this sonship. When that body (singular) was taken up into the clouds it went …… where? To …… Kolob?

In the Spiritual dimension we know that Jesus is the Father. The Spirit is Jesus and vice verse.

When it speaks of the sonship it refers to the humanity. This is elementary stuff that I learned as a 16 year old UPCI preachers kid.

So, the flesh is not deity but the container for the deity. Fast forward to the day of Pentecost. Jesus, God, has already said he would come back, (John 14, Acts 1) and bingo, here he comes. He fills humanity again and ….. we see the sonship again!!!

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Wow!!!

To use the words of others....

I mean, how much plainer can it get?

Where does it say "the sonSHIP is going to make intercession forever"?

Oh that's right, it's the verse right before the one that says something about "God in three persons". In other words, absolutely NOWHERE.

Typical of heresies. Y'all might as well just right your own Book. It'll be a best seller right along with the Book of Mormon, the Quran, and the latest collection of Watchtower articles.

[consapente89]

Is it possible to be a priest without being a man? If his priesthood is unchangeable, then it’s the man, the mediator that is acting in the sacred duty of intercession. How can the son ship make intercession if he is no longer a man, I.e. the son?!

[Esaias]

By the way, TJJJ said "the sonship intercedes forever... the sonship refers to the humanity".

Yet he thinks Jesus' humanity dissolved up around cloud 9 somewhere and no longer exists.

But it's all spiritshul donchaknow. Anyone who doesn't buy their "Smart Pills" is clearly dumb, right?

[consapente89]

Amazing that this heresy is directly tied to the heresy of a completely fulfilled eschatology.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Esaias

By the way, TJJJ said "the sonship intercedes forever... the sonship refers to the humanity".

Yet he thinks Jesus' humanity dissolved up around cloud 9 somewhere and no longer exists.

But it's all spiritshul donchaknow. Anyone who doesn't buy their "Smart Pills" is clearly dumb, right?

Exactly!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Is it possible to be a priest without being a man? If his priesthood is unchangeable, then it’s the man, the mediator that is acting in the sacred duty of intercession. How can the son ship make intercession if he is no longer a man, I.e. the son?!

This is where TJJJ introduces his "the church is the mediator/Son" thing.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Amazing that this heresy is directly tied to the heresy of a completely fulfilled eschatology.

that is a very interesting point.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by consapente89

It’s amazing how one false doctrine begets another.

That is exactly what I was thinking also.