Gino Jennings End Times - Page 12

mfblume · #**111** 09-12-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

we either meet Jesus at death and become immortal, or
we return to dust and at the resurrection become immortal

because the only Ghost is the holy Ghost and we are not him.

I believe if we die now, our spirits and souls go to glory awaiting the second resurrection, when our bodies are made immortal. We're not made immortal til the second resurrection. Some confuse that with the first resurrection.

Is that what you meant? Wasn't sure.

mfblume · #**112** 09-12-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But yet you said earlier:

This proves that in immortal soul doctrine the resurrection is nothing. The dead are NEVER really dead. They are alive rejoicing in the glory of Jesus presence right now!

Even Jesus Christ...NEVER really died!

Matter of fact no human being has EVER died!

The resurrection of the dead is a foundation Christian doctrine. Immortal soul is not.

I never said immortal soul anywhere.

Amanah · #**113** 09-12-2019, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe if we die now, our spirits and souls go to glory awaiting the second resurrection, when our bodies are made immortal. We're not made immortal til the second resurrection. Some confuse that with the first resurrection.

Is that what you meant? Wasn't sure.

I don't think we are never disembodied spirits.

I think we receive the breath of life from God and becoming a living being.

When we die our breath returns to God our maker, our bodies return to the dust.

We die in a natural body and are raised in a spiritual immortal body and then shall ever be with the Lord.

There is no knowledge, wisdom, or thought in the grave Ecclesiastes 9:10

Michael The Disciple · #**114** 09-12-2019, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

I don't think we are never disembodied spirits.

I think we receive the breath of life from God and becoming a living being.

When we die our breath returns to God our maker, our bodies return to the dust.

We die in a natural body and are raised in a spiritual immortal body and then shall ever be with the Lord.

There is no knowledge, wisdom, or thought in the grave Ecclesiastes 9:10

Exactly.

Michael The Disciple · #**115** 09-12-2019, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by peter83

Nobody speak about Philosophy i think.
We speak about spirit/Soul as the Bible speaks.

1 Pet.3Christ.."being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. "
1 Pet.4: 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
I dont push you any new doctrine i just give you Scriptures to think .Peace to you.

The spirits in prison? Are these supposed to be the ones who were in Abrahams Bosom?

If so was Abes Bosom "paradise"? Or was it "prison"?

There is a big difference in being in paradise and prison.

Evang.Benincasa · #**116** 09-12-2019, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The spirits in prison? Are these supposed to be the ones who were in Abrahams Bosom?

If so was Abes Bosom "paradise"? Or was it "prison"?

There is a big difference in being in paradise and prison.

Well, if you are sleeping in prison, and in paradise, there really isn't a difference. Right?

peter83 · #**117** 09-12-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The spirits in prison? Are these supposed to be the ones who were in Abrahams Bosom?

If so was Abes Bosom "paradise"? Or was it "prison"?

There is a big difference in being in paradise and prison.

I don't know.
I suppose that Hades had one place with siners like the reach man was and the Abraham bosom from the other..
I suppose also that when Jesus preached to the dead, after this place went up to God

Imprisoned i don't think that means like the angels sre in prison. But maybe means the spirits of just that was at Hades.
I am not sure about sll that. Till now i didn't reach this theme for study.

Is difficult subject . We know that our inner man is in one kind of rest till Resturection. We know sure that Resturection is when spirit soul and body are back together but we (sorry i) don't know is spirit goes back to God, soul at Hades or they still together..etc.

What you think?

Esaias · #**118** 09-12-2019, 01:21 PM

How did Abraham's lap become a location in hell?

Michael The Disciple · #**119** 09-12-2019, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, if you are sleeping in prison, and in paradise, there really isn't a difference. Right?

Well yea but thats 2 differing concepts. The immortal soul adherent does not see the righteous on the good side (paradise) as asleep. And I assume they dont think the ones on the rich mans side are either.

The soul sleep believer thinks all his thoughts have (temporarily) perished.

mfblume · #**120** 09-12-2019, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

I don't think we are never disembodied spirits.

I think we receive the breath of life from God and becoming a living being.

When we die our breath returns to God our maker, our bodies return to the dust.

We die in a natural body and are raised in a spiritual immortal body and then shall ever be with the Lord.

There is no knowledge, wisdom, or thought in the grave Ecclesiastes 9:10

I disagree totally. Paul says absence from the body is presence with the Lord. We become disembodied at death. Naked, so to speak. But, so we're not always naked, we are given immortal bodies at the resurrection. We got the breath of God at Spirit baptism, not going to get it at death.

No knowledge or wisdom at death speaks of that in regard to this world. We're outta here. But in glory, we're with him.

2 Corinthians 5

..1....For we know that if our earthly house of..this..tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
..2....For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
..3....If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
..4....For we that are in..this..tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
..5....Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing..is..God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
..6....Therefore..we are..always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
..7....(For we walk by faith, not by sight

..8....We are confident,..I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. >>>Disembodied<<<