Defend your Faith

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Really, that is my point, no one ever said in the Holy Word of God that tongues was given to classify whether folks could be part of the organizational movement.

When folks of a different stripe are asked if they have the holy ghost, and they say they have spoken in tongues but do not have the outward standard accoutrements we insist they do not have the Holy Ghost because we haven't heard them and their outward appearance does not suggest they know truth.

Tongues is a deeply personal experience that shouldn't be anyone's business.

Being a Repented, Baptized in Jesus Name and Holy Ghost filled believer has nothing to do with an organization...

The UPC/APOSTOLICS have been branded by the World & Christiandom as Tongue Talkers... it's not something the UPC/APOSTOLIC World chose...


Concerning those who are filled with the Holy Ghost and are not following biblical standards there are few pastors that I know who tell them that if any.. but once they have been taught the importance of Biblical Standards in their Christian Walk they must live by what they have learned...

Originally Posted by Kutless

You know what on second thought I do not agree with you.

Peter was just showing Jews sometning they could understand. They were already baptizing and envoking the name of the priest who did the baptism. JUdaism was apostate and he was instructing them to follow Jewish custom with a new purpose. The authority of Jesus Christ.

Where is it supported that they rec'd tongues?

Paul and Peter were on 2 totally different pages with tongues.

wow, both you guys have some pretty good points. I can feel myself beginning to slide in both directions side to side.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Being a Repented, Baptized in Jesus Name and Holy Ghost filled believer has nothing to do with an organization...

The UPC/APOSTOLICS have been branded by the World & Christiandom as Tongue Talkers... it's not something the UPC/APOSTOLIC World chose...


Concerning those who are filled with the Holy Ghost and are not following biblical standards there are few pastors that I know who tell them that if any.. but once they have been taught the importance of Biblical Standards in their Christian Walk they must live by what they have learned...

what other org preaches it just like that with standards?

Originally Posted by revrandy

Being a Repented, Baptized in Jesus Name and Holy Ghost filled believer has nothing to do with an organization...

The UPC/APOSTOLICS have been branded by the World & Christiandom as Tongue Talkers... it's not something the UPC/APOSTOLIC World chose...


Concerning those who are filled with the Holy Ghost and are not following biblical standards there are few pastors that I know who tell them that if any.. but once they have been taught the importance of Biblical Standards in their Christian Walk they must live by what they have learned...

I disagree with the first part. It is very religiously vogue nowadays to have a tongues experience, good golly, even catholics are now calling themselves pentecostal!

Regarding folks who must live by what they have been taught, Cmon man, are you saying we assume that folks cannot study and be lead by the spirit on their own? I thought that was how standards were delivered unto the saints.

Sorry, dint to make this a standards thread, but there is a direct corrleation and ironically a disconnect in the minds of some that regarding tongues and embracing standards, the leading into all truth and all of that.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Kutless

You know what on second thought I do not agree with you.

Peter was just showing Jews sometning they could understand. They were already baptizing and envoking the name of the priest who did the baptism. JUdaism was apostate and he was instructing them to follow Jewish custom with a new purpose. The authority of Jesus Christ.

Where is it supported that they rec'd tongues?

Paul and Peter were on 2 totally different pages with tongues.

It is recorded in Acts that when those who were ministering heard them speak in tongues they indeed knew they were filled with the Holy Ghost..

secondly...Peter and Paul did not differ on tongues.. they differed on the application of the Law... Circumcism to be more exact..

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I disagree with the first part. It is very religiously vogue nowadays to have a tongues experience, good golly, even catholics are now calling themselves pentecostal!

Pentecost is not an Organization....Pentecost is an Experiance... that is what I was saying.. I may have misunderstood your previous post when I answered..

Regarding folks who must live by what they have been taught, Cmon man, are you saying we assume that folks cannot study and be lead by the spirit on their own? I thought that was how standards were delivered unto the saints.

If this is true... Why did the Pauline Epistles matter to the church?

There was incest.... pride.... spiritual abuse among other things going on.. if we are left to our own understanding this is what happens... and what about false teachers?

Sorry, dint to make this a standards thread, but there is a direct corrleation and ironically a disconnect in the minds of some that regarding tongues and embracing standards, the leading into all truth and all of that.

Concerning Standards... it is a part of our Christian Experiance that enables us to live a Seperated Life from the World... the Bible did call us a Peculiar people... just look at how the Jews/Israel had to live...

Think about it the next time your bite down on some fried Catfish...

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by revrandy

It is recorded in Acts that when those who were ministering heard them speak in tongues they indeed knew they were filled with the Holy Ghost..

secondly...Peter and Paul did not differ on tongues.. they differed on the application of the Law... Circumcism to be more exact..

so again I ask was the miracle hearing or speaking?


On you second point I disagree.Up to the second century Christians, mostly Jews remained part of the synagogue structure and constructed services as such.

Isn't it a fact that the Jerusalem church required Timithy to be circumcised as well as Paul participating in a purification ritual?

These thing were foriegn to Gentiles

Synagogue requiremed that eh Torah scroll be read in Hebrew AKA New Tongue.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Concerning Standards... it is a part of our Christian Experiance that enables us to live a Seperated Life from the World... the Bible did call us a Peculiar people... just look at how the Jews/Israel had to live...

Think about it the next time your bite down on some fried Catfish...

why can't we be seperated by being honest and living uprightly, not cussing or dressing like whores?

Isn't that separate?

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Kutless

so again I ask was the miracle hearing or speaking?


On you second point I disagree.Up to the second century Christians, mostly Jews remained part of the synagogue structure and constructed services as such.

Traditions are hard to break... but Paul also went to synagogues... but they had church...

Acts 13:5
And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.

Isn't it a fact that the Jerusalem church required Timithy to be circumcised as well as Paul participating in a purification ritual?

Timothy was only part Jew.. One thing about Timothy tho.. He was submitted to Spiritual Authority right or wrong..

These thing were foriegn to Gentiles

Synagogue requiremed that eh Torah scroll be read in Hebrew AKA New Tongue.

Being foreign to the Gentiles this is the Battle Paul had with the Jewish Leadership...

Originally Posted by revrandy

Concerning Standards... it is a part of our Christian Experiance that enables us to live a Seperated Life from the World... the Bible did call us a Peculiar people... just look at how the Jews/Israel had to live...

Think about it the next time your bite down on some fried Catfish...

I wouldn't trade my tongues experience for the world, however, there are times of crisis and struggle when I have forcefully bitten my tongue almost hollaring at the Lord to speak to me words of direction I can understand.

Those are very fun times for me, let me tell you!