Removing Zionism From the Chruch

[Amanah]

1 Cor 2 (NIV)

1 And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.
2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
3 I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling.
4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power,
5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

1 Cor 2 (NIV)

1 And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.
2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
3 I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling.
4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power,
5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

If anything, the OP is standing up for and adhering to the very thing you cite here in this passage by dispelling what he perceives to be a distraction from a Christocentric eschatology vs an eschatology that exalts the dead letter.

[Amanah]

I'm probably 100% wrong, but I felt that aegsm78 was objecting to presentation rather than content.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

Though I strive for perfection, I fall and have to repent. Pride is an abomination, and I have to repent all the time for being prideful. I ask the Lord to help me have a humble spirit. By your analogy I am going to Hell.

Here is another point on SFTBS2 page 281; The Star of David flies gloriously over a nation of miracles!

The Six Pointed Star is actually a New Age occult symbol. And our organization is promoting it as glorious? The Hexagram is 666. The hexagram, or six pointed star, certainly has three sixes. It contains a six, within a six, within a six: 666. (Count the sides of each triangle facing the clockwise direction, the sides facing the counter-clockwise direction, and the third six - the sides of the inner hexagon).

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. 27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

The children of Israel were punished for glorifying this image. Should we not call it out?

Selah

Oh no bro....That ain't new age....That's ancient evil.

Kinda crazy that you're getting pushback when pointing out that the symbol of a country that many Christians it on a pedestal has direct satanic roots and that it's even referenced in scripture.

We aren't talking about some bawdy fertility rites either*not that those are ok* we are talking about human sacrifice of CHILDREN!

For a group of people that can be such sticklers for rooting out sin and evil you'd think that more people would kinda wake.

I have news for you people...If you think that you should ignore what he's saying because you don't agree with his "tone"....

When I worked on a ambulance and I got on a scene your "feelings" were the last thing I was concerned about. I was polite and caring to a point but that patients health was my #1 priority and if you were trying to hinder my efforts I had no problem putting my foot down.

Smith Wigglesworth was greatly used of God but he was terribly mean. I mean he got rough!

Maybe we should be more concerned about the message he is trying to convey than the tone he delivers it in.

If I showed up at someone's house that is having a heart attack and you're more concerned with my tone than the task at hand of helping your family member I gotta say it smacks of a bad case of misplaced priorities.

Yes yes now IM the one with the bad attitude....Um guys we are at war here!

Christ isn't coming back as a lamb He's coming back to rule with a rod of iron!

In the middle of the battle isn't the time to take someone to task because you don't like their attitude or tone.

It's the time to stand unified and fight the enemy NOT each other.

Has there been a worship of Israel? Yes!

Is it wrong? YES!

Is it dangerous? I don't know...Do a little research on their flag and the "star of David"...All I know is that if I attended a church with that flag up I'd be talking to the pastor and if he didn't see reason and didnt see a problem with having a pagan symbol hanging in church I'd be finding a new place to worship.

But for goodness sakes man in the trenches with bullets flying at you isn't the time to look at the guy in the foxhole next to you and take him to task about "attitude"

Maybe he's taking the battle a little more serious is all......

[n david]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

Though I strive for perfection, I fall and have to repent. Pride is an abomination, and I have to repent all the time for being prideful. I ask the Lord to help me have a humble spirit. By your analogy I am going to Hell.

I apologize, that was not my intent at all. Please explain how my analogy did this?

[n david]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

All I know is that if I attended a church with that flag up I'd be talking to the pastor and if he didn't see reason and didnt see a problem with having a pagan symbol hanging in church I'd be finding a new place to worship.

I don't even like when churches have the United States' flag on the platform.

[Amanah]

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[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

CO - I don't say this lightly, but I believe you are in a dangerous place spiritually.
I will sign off from posting with you.
I would encourage you to think on Paul's statement.
"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."
I believe the Spirit has impressed me to tell you that if you continue down the path you are on it will lead you to destruction.
For those you know me on here, this is not in character for me, but I feel I have no choice but to post.
I wanted to send you a PM, but again, I was checked in my spirit.
God Bless

I have been subtlety threatened before. No doubt coming against Zionism is a dangerous proposition. Most have sold their souls to them and their Mammon.

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

To live in fear is death. To die is to gain. I neither fear men nor fallen spirits. But I respect the Father of all Spirits.

Matthew 10: 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Selah

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

CO - I don't say this lightly, but I believe you are in a dangerous place spiritually.
I will sign off from posting with you.
I would encourage you to think on Paul's statement.
"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."
I believe the Spirit has impressed me to tell you that if you continue down the path you are on it will lead you to destruction.
For those you know me on here, this is not in character for me, but I feel I have no choice but to post.
I wanted to send you a PM, but again, I was checked in my spirit.
God Bless

Originally Posted by Originalist

Can you be more specific? What is it in his belief set that you feel endangers him? Do you feel an Israelocentric eschatology is essential to sound doctrine? Just seeking clarification. Thanks.

Like Originalist, I would like clarification as well. I may not believe all of what CalledOut238 posts, but I fail to understand how he is headed for destruction or in a dangerous place.

I believe he's right about the Israeli flag and its connection to the occult. I believe he and others are correct about the error of believing modern Israel is still God's chosen people. He's correctly pointed out the error in the SFT Bible Study, among other things.

I don't believe ministers who are dispensationalists, or who believe Israel as God's chosen are in sin or abomination.

But again, I appreciate his posts and do not understand how his posts are leading him to destruction.

[Amanah]

I also appreciate CO's posts because I'm learning something new.
I'm struggling with it and still have not been able to assimilate it, but I glad to have a chance to explore the topic.