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07-20-2015, 03:57 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
I'm not trying to say that people shouldn't be baptized by someone else. I'm saying that God sees the heart.
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07-20-2015, 04:25 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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I'm not trying to say that people shouldn't be baptized by someone else. I'm saying that God sees the heart.
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But he doesn't go against his own word. And baptizing oneself is pure supposition. Not Word.
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07-20-2015, 04:29 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
God will do His will with people who baptize themselves. But I'm not banking on it since there is no case of that in the entire bible. So we cannot say it is His will. That's all I mean.
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07-20-2015, 06:11 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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The bible is clear that the one who desires to be saved must call on the name of the Lord, but it is equally clear one does not baptize themself.
The myth of a "personal relationship" with God has done a lot of harm to people, unfortunately.
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07-20-2015, 09:35 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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The bible is clear that the one who desires to be saved must call on the name of the Lord, but it is equally clear one does not baptize themself.
The myth of a "personal relationship" with God has done a lot of harm to people, unfortunately.
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Esaias, could you please expound upon exactly what you mean when you speak of the supposed "myth of a 'personal relationship' with God".
I don't want to misinterpret your meaning.
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07-20-2015, 09:42 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Esaias, could you please expound upon exactly what you mean when you speak of the supposed "myth of a 'personal relationship' with God".
I don't want to misinterpret your meaning.
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I think he's referring to people who think they don't need a church nor pastor, etc., nor anyone baptizing them along those lines of independence That is the context we are speaking about. But he may mean something else.
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07-20-2015, 09:52 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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I think he's referring to people who think they don't need a church nor pastor, etc., nor anyone baptizing them along those lines of independence That is the context we are speaking about. But he may mean something else.
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That's how I took his meaning. 
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07-20-2015, 11:46 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
A lot of people think salvation is JUST between the individual and God. But salvation means being placed into Christ, which is in the context of being placed into his Body, which is the church. Getting saved means being placed into the community of the saints. We are fellows on the same ship (fellowship) with the apostles, not a bunch of individuals going on in our own, isolated "paths to God" independent of each other.
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07-20-2015, 11:49 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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I'm not trying to say that people shouldn't be baptized by someone else. I'm saying that God sees the heart.
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God saw my heart, and made a way for me to be baptized scripturally. God will make a way if the heart is sincere.
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07-21-2015, 12:21 AM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
To the original poster's question, we must always remember that the litmus test of one's salvation is obedience to the Gospel, and naught else. Not even martyrdom is the power of God unto salvation.
Some may have suffered and died by cruel hands for nothing. However, many who died by such means did so because they refused to recant their testimony in Christ as the only Son of God. They were bearing witness to their faith. Can that be taken away from them?
If so, it's only for God to do so.
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