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I belIeve man was not created mortal but sin rendered him mortal. Man will regain immortal bodies to forever live on earth and rule it after the resurrection. Our eternal aside is not heaven from what I see in scripture.
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04-20-2015, 12:12 PM
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well, and in that vein, God has admitted to creating evil. Hard to understand, but there it is.
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I think the way we interpret that is different from what God meant.
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04-20-2015, 12:48 PM
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Re: will you know your loved ones in heaven
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well, and in that vein, God has admitted to creating evil. Hard to understand, but there it is.
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You only say that because you don't know the full story.
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04-20-2015, 01:19 PM
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I belIeve man was not created mortal but sin rendered him mortal. Man will regain immortal bodies to forever live on earth and rule it after the resurrection. Our eternal aside is not heaven from what I see in scripture.
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"...in the day that YOU EAT thereof, you shall surely die."
God did not say that IF man ate: God knew man would eat of the forbidden tree,
so He put the Tree of Life in the garden. It was a choice man would have to make.
The Tree of Life would have given man immortality; if man was immortal, he would
not have needed it. I think I understand you; however, you seem to believe that we
(the Church) will reign on this earth...in immortal, physical bodies. Do you believe
we'll also keep procreating?
Sounds a mite Jehovah's Witness-istic, to me!
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04-20-2015, 01:25 PM
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"...in the day that YOU EAT thereof, you shall surely die."
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Amen!
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God did not say that IF man ate: God knew man would eat of the forbidden tree,
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Only if you are saying that in how God foreknows everything.
But it was not God's will for them to eat it. And we cannot assume God created them mortal knowing they'd eat whether it was His will or not. That thinking is the same assumption that angels were created with procreation abilities but denied to use them. This assuming has to end.
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so He put the Tree of Life in the garden. It was a choice man would have to make.
The Tree of Life would have given man immortality; if man was immortal, he would
not have needed it.
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No, it was would have given immortality had man sinned and become mortal. Sin made man mortal, not creation. This is where foreknowledge comes in. God foreknew man would sin so the fruit of life had the remedy for the death that would come due to sin.
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I think I understand you; however, you seem to believe that we
(the Church) will reign on this earth...in immortal, physical bodies. Do you believe
we'll also keep procreating?
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No, we won't procreate, as Jesus indicated in showing that angels don't do so.
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Sounds a mite Jehovah's Witness-istic, to me!
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No, they believe only 144,000 go to heaven and the rest stay on earth.
God made the earth, not heaven, for man.
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04-20-2015, 02:44 PM
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Amen!
Only if you are saying that in how God foreknows everything
But it was not God's will for them to eat it. And we cannot assume God created them mortal knowing they'd eat whether it was His will or not. That thinking is the same assumption that angels were created with procreation abilities but denied to use them. This assuming has to send.
No, it was would have given immortality had man sinned and become mortal. Sin made man mortal, not creation. This is where foreknowledge comes in. God foreknew man would sin so the fruit of life had the remedy for the death that would come due to sin.
No, we won't procreate, as Jesus indicated in showing that angels don't do so.
No, they believe only 144,000 go to heaven and the rest stay on earth.
God made the earth, not heaven, for man.
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"...in ALL your ways acknowledge Him..."
Indeed, God knows everything. You seem to be attributing human frailty to God!
This ought not to be.
God gave man the POWER, through choice, not to sin! "Because it is written, 'Be ye holy;
for I am holy.' " If God expects us to be holy, it is because He has given us the POWER
to be holy....else He would be unjust, and could not be God!
The mind is the battleground for the individual; the earth, the battleground for ALL of
humanity. Here is where we must interact and show, or not, God's love abiding in us.
There will be a "...new heaven and a new earth...": but not in this realm. It will not be
in the midst of eternity, as we know it today; rather, it will be in eternity, itself!
"...lean not unto your own understanding..."
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04-20-2015, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
"...in ALL your ways acknowledge Him..."
Indeed, God knows everything. You seem to be attributing human frailty to God!
This ought not to be.
God gave man the POWER, through choice, not to sin! "Because it is written, 'Be ye holy;
for I am holy.' " If God expects us to be holy, it is because He has given us the POWER
to be holy....else He would be unjust, and could not be God!
The mind is the battleground for the individual; the earth, the battleground for ALL of
humanity. Here is where we must interact and show, or not, God's love abiding in us.
There will be a "...new heaven and a new earth...": but not in this realm. It will not be
in the midst of eternity, as we know it today; rather, it will be in eternity, itself!
"...lean not unto your own understanding..."
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Of course it's Man's choice. But God made man immortal. Man's choice made him lose it.
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04-20-2015, 06:09 PM
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Re: will you know your loved ones in heaven
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I think the way we interpret that is different from what God meant.
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04-23-2015, 01:34 PM
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Re: will you know your loved ones in heaven
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Of course it's Man's choice. But God made man immortal. Man's choice made him lose it.
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"For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance."
God does not repent for righteousness. He will not repent of the sacrifice for our sins, nor
for the gifts and blessings He has bestowed on His Church. If God created man immortal,
man would have remained immortal. But God created man mortal, knowing that man would
sin. God SAW the problem, and He created the solution when He spoke: "Let there be light..."
Or why did God establish the LIGHT? it was because He saw that the "...earth was without
form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep." Or in today's vernacular: "God
saw man in confusion, and outside of His will, and with sin about to destroy him." And so
the very first thing God did was establish our salvation! For that God applied His love,
wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and hate of evil.
"Whosoever will direct his conversation aright, I will show the salvation of God."
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04-23-2015, 11:51 PM
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Re: will you know your loved ones in heaven
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
"For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance."
God does not repent for righteousness. He will not repent of the sacrifice for our sins, nor
for the gifts and blessings He has bestowed on His Church. If God created man immortal,
man would have remained immortal. But God created man mortal, knowing that man would
sin. God SAW the problem, and He created the solution when He spoke: "Let there be light..."
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I cannot agree. God created man immortal and said he'd die if he sinned. Death came by sin. He never qualified what kind of death.
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