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Old 11-01-2014, 01:38 AM
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Yea, I noticed that was absent from his page of quotes as well. I thought it was strange or maybe an oversight. Definetely nice to see his page of quotes though
Yes I agree however it seems the most disagreement was over ISIS forming a Caliphate, not raping Christian girls

Lets not forget there is an ideological divide that this ISIS Caliphate idea has with others. Saudi Arabia feels threatened because they don't know how far this caliphate will spread. Will it consume them too?

Iran is threatened because it's a religious faction..Sunni vs Shiite.

So some of that opposition may be political. But what I was getting at s on Social media when I give Muslims the option to vote yes or no. They abstain most of the time
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Old 11-01-2014, 09:38 AM
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The thing is, you have taqiyya as part of the muslim faith, something that isn't a part of Christianity - ever. That means no matter what is quoted by you or your people, it is never going to be fully believed to be true.
Lying isn't a part of Christianity? Whose pipe are you smoking? You think you will lie to me?

Whipping up a congregation with fantastic untrue stories at "alter-call" isn't a part of Christianity?
Tora Bora wives of Bin Laden?
"Prosperity Doctrine"?
Benny Hinn's fake manefestations?
Fantastic prophecies like "the USSR is the kingdom of the beast" or "the common market is the kingdom of the beast" or "a computer in Europe is the beast" spread by two-bit pennycostal evangelists from coast to coast?
Treece refunding all of his buyer's money because his fantastic prophecy books turned out to be inaccurate?
Healing services where "god gives blood transfusions" to random people who don't actually get well after collecting "love offerings" to "get the spirit moving"

This is what I know. You people will do, say, pretend anything to make a few bucks or swell attendance. Go don your nomex. Trying to lie to me. Bleh.

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Good stuff, Ferdinand!!
Yeah good stuff. Another lie? The Crusades paled to the tactics used to convert the native americans to Christianity. Didn't stop until the early 1900's when they were either locked up on reservations or all dead.

"Smallpox for Jesus" - after passing out contaminated blankets to the native americans:

“the natives are neere all dead of the smalle Poxe, so as the Lord hathe cleared our title to what we posses.” John Winthrope

till their Priests and Ancients have their throats cut, there is no hope to bring them to conversion.”-John Smith

There is a final, far more tragic means to convert the people. Kidnap the children.

1.Rechristen them with English Christian names, forbid the use of their own names.
2.Punish them for speaking their own language, or grab them when they are young enough not to have learned it very well.
3.Force them to live at the Mission School and only visit home 1 or 2 days for the Christian Christmas.
4.Cut their hair, strip them of their clothing and religious artifacts, and denigrate the artifacts as uncivilized, backwards, or "primitive".
5.Do this all when they are young enough to not fight back.

Native populations were decimated by illness, starvation, and war. But the actual native cultures were more decimated by the mission schools and "Jesus" than anything else done to the various Indian peoples.



Jesuits set up reserves for Native Americans and missionaries. The laws governing these reserves reflected Christian values, and punishments varied from whipping, payment, to even death for crimes of adultery, witchcraft, and worshiping any other deity than the Christian God. However, many Natives did not truly convert and became false Christians to avoid punishment, which only further angered the Europeans. Lesser punishments on the reserves were for the following crimes: powwowing, gaming, fornication, polygamy, mourning with loud noises (such as howling), body-greasing, as well as several others


Wow this list is so long I'm just going to save the real good stuff for later.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:13 PM
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Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...

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Lying isn't a part of Christianity? Whose pipe are you smoking? You think you will lie to me?

Whipping up a congregation with fantastic untrue stories at "alter-call" isn't a part of Christianity?
Tora Bora wives of Bin Laden?
"Prosperity Doctrine"?
Benny Hinn's fake manefestations?
Fantastic prophecies like "the USSR is the kingdom of the beast" or "the common market is the kingdom of the beast" or "a computer in Europe is the beast" spread by two-bit pennycostal evangelists from coast to coast?
Treece refunding all of his buyer's money because his fantastic prophecy books turned out to be inaccurate?
Healing services where "god gives blood transfusions" to random people who don't actually get well after collecting "love offerings" to "get the spirit moving"

This is what I know. You people will do, say, pretend anything to make a few bucks or swell attendance. Go don your nomex. Trying to lie to me. Bleh.

LOL! Typical of Mulism apologists. Never deal with the FACTS. Facts like lying is enshrined in the unholy quran and is encouraged by their perverted profit, you know the profit that married a 6 year old little girl...

Please note this is from a pro-Islamic site.

Age of Aisha at time of marriage with Holy Prophet Muhammad

It is believed on the authority of some Hadith reports that the marriage ceremony (known as nikah, amounting to betrothal) of Aisha with the Holy Prophet Muhammad took place when she was six years of age, and that she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife three years later at the age of nine. We quote below from two such reports in Bukhari.

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3]

[3]. Bukhari, Book of Qualities of the Ansar, chapter: ‘The Holy Prophet’s marriage with Aisha, and his coming to Madina and the consummation of marriage with her’. For Muhsin Khan’s translation, see this link and go down to reports listed as Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236.
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm


They also believe:
"the Holy Prophet Muhammad was the perfect model of Islamic teachings whose example shall forever be binding on every Muslim to follow."


So according to this philosophy ALL Muslims should marry 6 year old little girls. How disgusting!!!




And as is typical the Muslim apologists will never deal directly with the truth. The truth that their profit was a pervert for example or the fact that lying is encouraged by their unholy book. The fact that some "Christians" lie is used to justify their own lying. The fact is Christians do NOT condone lying nor does the Bible. Muslims not only condone lying their unholy book prescribes it.
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Yeah good stuff. Another lie? The Crusades paled to the tactics used to convert the native americans to Christianity. Didn't stop until the early 1900's when they were either locked up on reservations or all dead.

"Smallpox for Jesus" - after passing out contaminated blankets to the native americans:

“the natives are neere all dead of the smalle Poxe, so as the Lord hathe cleared our title to what we posses.” John Winthrope

till their Priests and Ancients have their throats cut, there is no hope to bring them to conversion.”-John Smith

There is a final, far more tragic means to convert the people. Kidnap the children.

1.Rechristen them with English Christian names, forbid the use of their own names.
2.Punish them for speaking their own language, or grab them when they are young enough not to have learned it very well.
3.Force them to live at the Mission School and only visit home 1 or 2 days for the Christian Christmas.
4.Cut their hair, strip them of their clothing and religious artifacts, and denigrate the artifacts as uncivilized, backwards, or "primitive".
5.Do this all when they are young enough to not fight back.

Native populations were decimated by illness, starvation, and war. But the actual native cultures were more decimated by the mission schools and "Jesus" than anything else done to the various Indian peoples.



Jesuits set up reserves for Native Americans and missionaries. The laws governing these reserves reflected Christian values, and punishments varied from whipping, payment, to even death for crimes of adultery, witchcraft, and worshiping any other deity than the Christian God. However, many Natives did not truly convert and became false Christians to avoid punishment, which only further angered the Europeans. Lesser punishments on the reserves were for the following crimes: powwowing, gaming, fornication, polygamy, mourning with loud noises (such as howling), body-greasing, as well as several others


Wow this list is so long I'm just going to save the real good stuff for later.


Could you give us an example from this century? LOL!!!

Typical of Muslim apologists. They never deal with the facts. They only seek to justify their disgusting behavior.


Oh wait I know...
It's Christians that are kidnapping, raping and forcing girls into marriages against their will in Egypt...
No wait that was MUSLIMS doing this to Christian girls!

Hundreds of Coptic Christian schoolgirls in Egypt have been kidnapped and forced to convert to the Muslim faith of their abductors in recent years...

There has been a surge in numbers of Christian girls being kidnapped in Egypt since the fall of Hosni Mubarak.
http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...2011/38177.htm



Ok it must have been Christians in Nigeria that kidnapped schoolgirls and married them off...
No wait that was MUSLIMS!

"Laughing, Shekau said the issue of the girls he'd earlier threatened to sell off as slaves was long forgotten.
"He says they've become Muslims and are now married to Boko Haram fighters. The news is a bitter blow for the families who were clinging to the possibility of some progress, though most Nigerians were deeply skeptical about the government's announcement."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...re-now-married



Ok it must be Christians that have attacked others and kidnapped the women and sold them as sex slaves.
No once AGAIN MUSLIMS!

Article in Islamic State's English-language online magazine Dabiq not only admits selling Yazidi women into sex slavery but justifies it according to the theological rulings of early Islam.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...says-Isil.html


Here is a portion of the story of one young girl that was fortunate to escape:
“I was sold in Syria. I stayed about five days with my two sisters. Then one of my sisters was sold and taken to Mosul and I remained in Syria," she said.

She is one of hundreds of women and girls, mostly Yazidis,

The Islamic State has captured and then tortured, raped, sold into slavery, or forced to marry their fighters, according to United Nations and human rights groups.

Most of them are still being held.

A few have been able to call home, either because they were able to hide their phones or because their captors let them. They sound hopeless, says Baher Ali of the international charity AMAR Foundation.

“They ask them, 'Please tell Iraqi authorities, please tell U.S. and other international community to bomb this place that we are living now. We want to die. We don’t want to live because we are dying already,'" said Ali.

Human Rights Watch recently published a report on forced marriage and conversion of Yazidis by the Islamic State.
http://www.voanews.com/content/grim-...e/2501391.html


And the list goes on and on and on and on...


Do we need to discuss the Kansas City shooter:
Mohammed Whitaker arraigned on 18 felony charges in series of highway shootings

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...#storylink=cpy

What about the Oklahoma beheading?
Prosecutor to seek death penalty in Oklahoma beheading
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/justic...death-penalty/


Or the assault on Police Officers in NY
Hatchet assault on New York police comes during fears of Islamist attacks
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/us/new...st-suspicions/



It's because of MUSLIMS that police and soldiers in England are told to NOT wear their uniforms unless they are on duty.
British soldiers warned not to wear uniforms in public: alert over copycat Lee Rigby-style jihad murders - See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2014/02/brit....jCX6j9wF.dpuf



There is also the recent unprovoked assaults in Canada
'Terrorist' murdered soldier 'in cold blood,' Canada's Prime Minister says
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/world/...tawa-shooting/


And the list goes on and on and on and on...


One last thought concerning the Muslim Brotherhood organization that we hear so much about and is active in the US Government.
Muslim Brotherhood Fact Sheet
"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu akbar!” [1]

The Brotherhood’s goal is to turn the world into an Islamist empire. The Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928, is a revolutionary fundamentalist movement to restore the caliphate and strict shariah (Islamist) law in Muslim lands and, ultimately, the world. Today, it has chapters in 80 countries.

“It is in the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” —Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna[2]

· The Brotherhood wants America to fall. It tells followers to be “patient” because America “is heading towards its demise.” The U.S. is an infidel that “does not champion moral and human values and cannot lead humanity.” —Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammed Badi, Sept. 2010[3]

· The Brotherhood claims western democracy is “corrupt,” “unrealistic.” and “false.”
—Former Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammed Mahdi Akef [4]

· The Brotherhood calls for jihad against “the Muslim’s real enemies, not only Israel but also the United States. Waging jihad against both of these infidels is a commandment of Allah that cannot be disregarded.” —Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammed Badi, Sept. 2010[5]


[1]Cited Lorenzo Vidino, “The Muslim Brotherhood’s Conquest of Europe,” Middle East Quarterly, Winter, 2005 at http://www.meforum.org/687/the-musli...t-of-europeand in Andrew C. McCarthy, “Fear the Muslim Brotherhood,” National Review, Jan. 31, 2011, at http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/258419
[2]“The Muslim Brotherhood,” The Investigative Project on Terrorism, http://www.investigativeproject.org/profile/173
[3]Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammad Badi, "How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny,” Sermon, Sept. 2010, translated at MEMRI at http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4650.htm
[4]Cited in Lt. Col. (res.) Jonathan Dahoah-Halevi, “The Muslim Brotherhood: A Moderate Islamic Alternative to al-Qaeda or a Partner in Global Jihad?” Jerusalem Viewpoints, Nov. 1, 2007, at http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/S..._Global_Jihad?
[5]Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammad Badi, "How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny,” Sermon, Sept. 2010, translated at MEMRI at http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4650.htm



Then there is the object of lying in Islam.
The Brotherhood advocates a deceptive strategy in democracies: appear moderate and use existing institutions to gain power. “The civilizational-jihadist process…is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house…so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious overall other religions,” reads a US Muslim Brotherhood 1991 document.[13] It believes it can conquer Europe peacefully: “After having been expelled twice, Islam will be victorious and reconquer Europe....I am certain that this time, victory will be won not by the sword but by preaching and [Islamic] ideology.” — Muslim Brotherhood Spiritual leader Yusuf al-Qaradawi, “Fatwa,” 2003[14]
https://www.standwithus.com/news/article.asp?id=1757
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:27 PM
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Lying isn't a part of Christianity? Whose pipe are you smoking? You think you will lie to me?

Whipping up a congregation with fantastic untrue stories at "alter-call" isn't a part of Christianity?
Tora Bora wives of Bin Laden?
"Prosperity Doctrine"?
Benny Hinn's fake manefestations?
Fantastic prophecies like "the USSR is the kingdom of the beast" or "the common market is the kingdom of the beast" or "a computer in Europe is the beast" spread by two-bit pennycostal evangelists from coast to coast?
Treece refunding all of his buyer's money because his fantastic prophecy books turned out to be inaccurate?
Healing services where "god gives blood transfusions" to random people who don't actually get well after collecting "love offerings" to "get the spirit moving"

This is what I know. You people will do, say, pretend anything to make a few bucks or swell attendance. Go don your nomex. Trying to lie to me. Bleh.
Oh. This is a GREAT argument. Just take the people who Jesus warned us about (false prophets) and some fanatical elements of fringe Pentecostalism (rejected by most Christians) and build your case. I'm convinced now. :rolleyes
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Yeah good stuff. Another lie? The Crusades paled to the tactics used to convert the native americans to Christianity. Didn't stop until the early 1900's when they were either locked up on reservations or all dead.
1) I condemn the actions of people claiming to be Christians and forced others to convert by force. I condemn the actions of those people who claimed to be Christians and used other means of violence for anyreason

2) The important part "Didn't stop until the early 1900s" but it DID stop. Islam is stuck in the middle ages
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And thus, all premises are revealed...unless you'd care to, T?
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And thus, all premises are revealed...unless you'd care to, T?
Be my guest. As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about. Lol.
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Ah-meaning that people find what they seek, thereby revealing their true heart; their premises. This is used to divide us a countless number of ways. People are polarizable, might be another way to put it.
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