The Question No One Can Answer

[Disciple4life]

Wow! Anyway I have faith and I do know. Nobody can tell me what I do or do not Know.

No offense but if somebody wants to question and doubt endlessly then at the end all they will have is nothing but doubt.

Maybe you don't want the truth?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

The Jewish Faith holds no real answer to the question, and the Torah says nothing about an Afterlife. The subject is wide open, and, no definitive answer lies within the teachings or doctrine of the Jews.

"Many faiths have definitive teachings about the afterlife. But in answer to the question "What happens after we die?" the Torah, our most important religious text, is surprisingly silent. Nowhere does it discuss the afterlife in detail.

Over the centuries a few possible descriptions of the afterlife have been incorporated into Jewish thought. However there is no definitively Jewish explanation for what happens after we die.

Why Doesn’t the Torah Discuss the Afterlife?

No one knows exactly why the Torah doesn't discuss the afterlife. Instead, the Torah focuses on "Olam Ha Ze," which means "this world." Rabbi Joseph Telushkin believes that this focus on the here and now is not only intentional but directly related to the Israelite exodus from Egypt."

http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismb...sh-Beliefs.htm

Interesting thoughts!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Wow! Anyway I have faith and I do know. Nobody can tell me what I do or do not Know.

No offense but if somebody wants to question and doubt endlessly then at the end all they will have is nothing but doubt.

Maybe you don't want the truth?

Doesn't sound like you want the truth, since nobody can tell you what you do, or do not know.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Doesn't sound like you want the truth, since nobody can tell you what you do, or do not know.

Actually, wanting the truth would be not allowing anybody to tell you what you do or do not know...just sayin'.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Timmy

None of the disciples believed without seeing. Thomas wasn't the only doubter.

[Disciple4life]

1 Timothy 1
4 Nor to give importance to or occupy themselves with legends (fables, myths) and endless genealogies, which foster and promote useless speculations and questionings rather than acceptance in faith of God’s administration and the divine training that is in faith ([a]in that leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence)—

5 Whereas the object and purpose of our instruction and charge is love, which springs from a pure heart and a good (clear) conscience and sincere (unfeigned) faith.

6 But certain individuals have missed the mark on this very matter [and] have wandered away into vain arguments and discussions and purposeless talk.


Proverbs 26:3-5

3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a [straight, slender] rod for the backs of [self-confident] fools.

4 Answer not a [self-confident] fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him.

5 Answer a [self-confident] fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes and conceit.

I am done. I will never get this five minutes of my life back.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by ILG

Actually, wanting the truth would be not allowing anybody to tell you what you do or do not know...just sayin'.

Wouldn't that depend on the subject or issue at hand. For example, when I was in school learning math, I had to listen to someone who knew how to add and subtract. In the end, I found the truth I didn't have before.

If I didn't allow my teachers to expand on the real truth, I would have failed my class and lived in ignorance, regardless if I thought I was right or not.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

1 Timothy 1
4 Nor to give importance to or occupy themselves with legends (fables, myths) and endless genealogies, which foster and promote useless speculations and questionings rather than acceptance in faith of God’s administration and the divine training that is in faith ([a]in that leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence)—

5 Whereas the object and purpose of our instruction and charge is love, which springs from a pure heart and a good (clear) conscience and sincere (unfeigned) faith.

6 But certain individuals have missed the mark on this very matter [and] have wandered away into vain arguments and discussions and purposeless talk.


Proverbs 26:3-5

3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a [straight, slender] rod for the backs of [self-confident] fools.

4 Answer not a [self-confident] fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him.

5 Answer a [self-confident] fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes and conceit.

I am done. I will never get this five minutes of my life back.

This is the typical response from people in Religion. Notice the rebuke, condemnation, and ridicule of those who don't agree with D4L. D4L, what makes you better than everyone else?

You should have just pulled out the Scriptures on Eternal Torture, and then you would be "done" with us and everyone else who doesn't agree with you.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Wouldn't that depend on the subject or issue at hand. For example, when I was in school learning math, I had to listen to someone who knew how to add and subtract. In the end, I found the truth I didn't have before.

If I didn't allow my teachers to expand on the real truth, I would have failed my class and lived in ignorance, regardless if I thought I was right or not.

I don't think your teacher stood there and told you what you did or didn't know. They probably just taught math....and you caught on.

[n david]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

The Jewish Faith holds no real answer to the question, and the Torah says nothing about an Afterlife. The subject is wide open, and, no definitive answer lies within the teachings or doctrine of the Jews.

"Many faiths have definitive teachings about the afterlife. But in answer to the question "What happens after we die?" the Torah, our most important religious text, is surprisingly silent. Nowhere does it discuss the afterlife in detail.

Over the centuries a few possible descriptions of the afterlife have been incorporated into Jewish thought. However there is no definitively Jewish explanation for what happens after we die.

Why Doesn’t the Torah Discuss the Afterlife?

No one knows exactly why the Torah doesn't discuss the afterlife. Instead, the Torah focuses on "Olam Ha Ze," which means "this world." Rabbi Joseph Telushkin believes that this focus on the here and now is not only intentional but directly related to the Israelite exodus from Egypt."

http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismb...sh-Beliefs.htm

They do believe in an afterlife, the Jewish term for it is Olam Ha-Ba. And the Torah does speak of the afterlife.

Some scholars claim that belief in the afterlife is a teaching that developed late in Jewish history. It is true that the Torah emphasizes immediate, concrete, physical rewards and punishments rather than abstract future ones. See, for example, Lev. 26:3-9 and Deut. 11:13-15. However, there is clear evidence in the Torah of belief in existence after death. The Torah indicates in several places that the righteous will be reunited with their loved ones after death, while the wicked will be excluded from this reunion.

The Torah speaks of several noteworthy people being "gathered to their people." See, for example, Gen. 25:8 (Abraham), 25:17 (Ishmael), 35:29 (Isaac), 49:33 (Jacob), Deut. 32:50 (Moses and Aaron) II Kings 22:20 (King Josiah). This gathering is described as a separate event from the physical death of the body or the burial.

Certain sins are punished by the sinner being "cut off from his people." See, for example, Gen. 17:14 and Ex. 31:14. This punishment is referred to as kareit (kah-REHYT) (literally, "cutting off," but usually translated as "spiritual excision"), and it means that the soul loses its portion in the World to Come.

Later portions of the Tanakh speak more clearly of life after death and the World to Come. See Dan. 12:2, Neh. 9:5.

Even the 13 Principles of Faith, which they faithfully recite every day after morning prayers in the synagogue, show belief in the afterlife:

1. Belief in the existence of the Creator, who is perfect in every manner of existence and is the Primary Cause of all that exists.

2. The belief in G-d's absolute and unparalleled unity.

3. The belief in G-d's non-corporeality, nor that He will be affected by any physical occurrences, such as movement, or rest, or dwelling.

4. The belief in G-d's eternity.

5. The imperative to worship G-d exclusively and no foreign false gods.

6. The belief that G-d communicates with man through prophecy.

7. The belief in the primacy of the prophecy of Moses our teacher.

8. The belief in the divine origin of the Torah.

9. The belief in the immutability of the Torah.

10. The belief in G-d's omniscience and providence.

11. The belief in divine reward and retribution.

12. The belief in the arrival of the Messiah and the messianic era.

13. The belief in the resurrection of the dead.