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11-24-2014, 04:36 PM
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Re: God Is Not A Man!
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
Amen, Beloved: "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself." Again, "For in him dwells all the fullness of the godhead bodily."
Sometimes, pentecostals (apostolics) sound so much like trinitarians! The body did not "manifest" God: it was his holiness (sinless life) and righteous works that manifested/revealed God!
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Those two verses do not mean the same thing
Many people erroneously read Col 2:9 this way For in his Body all the fullness of God Dwelt"
Godhead is from theotes meaning "Divinity" or "Divine qualities"
This is a statement that Jesus Himself has all the Divine qualities Himself while in bodily form
Col 2:9 For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form,
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-27-2014, 02:04 PM
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Re: God Is Not A Man!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Those two verses do not mean the same thing
Many people erroneously read Col 2:9 this way For in his Body all the fullness of God Dwelt"
Godhead is from theotes meaning "Divinity" or "Divine qualities"
This is a statement that Jesus Himself has all the Divine qualities Himself while in bodily form. Col 2:9 For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form.
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"Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me..." Heb. 10: 5
For whom was the body prepared? It was not for the [sic: eternal] son; for the son had not yet been conceived in the virgin's womb, nor born into the world. Nor was a son ever "sent" to the world from eternity. Rather, God spoke the word (commandment) and sent our deliverance, salvation, and redemption to the word.
Listen to John 1:1, and Psalm 107:20
"In the beginning (of creation) was the (spoken) word, and the word was with in the being of God, and the word was God was very God itself.
He sent His word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."
The word was robed (dressed upon) in flesh: "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He has consecrated to us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh... That veil is "...the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world...".
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11-27-2014, 02:49 PM
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Re: God Is Not A Man!
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"Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me..." Heb. 10: 5
For whom was the body prepared? It was not for the [sic: eternal] son; for the son had not yet been conceived in the virgin's womb, nor born into the world. Nor was a son ever "sent" to the world from eternity. Rather, God spoke the word (commandment) and sent our deliverance, salvation, and redemption to the word.
Listen to John 1:1, and Psalm 107:20
"In the beginning (of creation) was the (spoken) word, and the word was with in the being of God, and the word was God was very God itself.
He sent His word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."
The word was robed (dressed upon) in flesh: "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He has consecrated to us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh... That veil is "...the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world...".
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You are changing the topic away from those two verses and not addressing the grammar of Col 2:9
Also the Word was MADE Flesh or BECAME Flesh, not "robed in skin". He became human
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-27-2014, 08:23 PM
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Re: God Is Not A Man!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You are changing the topic away from those two verses and not addressing the grammar of Col 2:9
Also the Word was MADE Flesh or BECAME Flesh, not "robed in skin". He became human
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I can understand your thoughts, Beloved. Nevertheless, I believe that "robed, dressed, or clothed" in flesh is a better interpretation. See Heb. 10:20. The body is only a "veil" (disguise, if you will). God was in (disguised as) Christ Jesus..."
The scriptures teach us that the word (commandment) was sent by God via an angel; he spoke to Mary, and the commandment (word) was begotten in her womb. Else we will have to believe that the body was also God...but it would contradict the scripture that states that "...God (the commandment / word) was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself."
As for Col. 2:9 __ "For in the body of Jesus abides ALL the fullness of what we call God." (Today's vernacular)
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