Is TV now the norm in the UPCI home?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

My wife and I have been in this peachers home many time and there is no TV there. Not everyone if a hypocrite. We don't have a tv or watch tv programing on any media.

Congratulations to all of you. I am happy for you.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Congratulations to all of you. I am happy for you.

Unfortunately, the same rule does not apply to the worldly, filthy internet.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Antipas

When spirituality ceases to evolve, it becomes a religion of outdated practices.

^this!

[StillStanding]

I can't help but grin at the stupidly of the anti-tv/pro-Internet crowd! Some people are completely tunnel focused and won't listen to rhyme or reason.
As someone else mentioned earlier, I see nothing wrong, in fact I actually admire those that have a personal reason for not having a TV. Making it church policy to the point of making a doctrine out of it, is silly, IMO!

[Whole Hearted]

Some folks today don't think or want the church to preach against any of their sins. They just want their ear tickled.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Some folks today don't think or want the church to preach against any of their sins. They just want their ear tickled.

[renee819]

If I was a pastor, I would preach, the 'fear of the Lord” This would take care of the standards, rules and laws.

People have to learn. And if they have the Holy Ghost, it is their teacher. (If they listen) if they are not going to listen to the Holy Ghost, then will rules, laws and standards save them? What standards really does, is give them a false sense of holiness.

Do people with the 'fear of the Lord” ----which is to hate evil, enjoy watching people get murdered on TV or computer or even read about it? If they do, it will have to be the Holy Ghost that convicts them.
Do they like to watch theft, rape, immoral scenes, cursing, drunken brawls. Alluring women, seducing and being seduced.

There is very little on TV that should be attractive to sincere Christians. Do I think it should be a rule, that Christians can't have TV? NO!

People have to learn to hate evil, and until they do, it does very little good just to take it away from them. They have not learned a thing, that way. The conviction has to come from the inside.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by renee819

If I was a pastor, I would preach, the 'fear of the Lord” This would take care of the standards, rules and laws.

People have to learn. And if they have the Holy Ghost, it is their teacher. (If they listen) if they are not going to listen to the Holy Ghost, then will rules, laws and standards save them? What standards really does, is give them a false sense of holiness.

The conviction has to come from the inside.

Well what I have found out from experience is that people try to find ways to circumvent or find loopholes in the laws.

That is why you have preachers, who have a TV in the garage, so they can truthfully say they not have a TV in the house.

Then you have preachers who since they did not bought the TV in their house, they can truthfully say they do not own a TV.

Then you have preachers who are constantly in someone's else house watching TV, who can truthfully say they do not have a TV in their house.

Then you have the preachers who use a monitor to watch all kinds of movies and TV programs, who can truthfully say they do not have a TV.

Then you have the preachers who use their computers to watch Netflix, Zulu and other videos who can truthfully say they do not have a TV.

Laws only create more laws, that is precisely what is happening in the UPCI, which is a rules oriented organization, they are now creating more rules for the Internet age, it just goes on and on, because people are looking for loopholes.

This is precisely where the Pharisees went wrong, they added rule after rule to the Sabbath to the point that people begun to hate the Sabbath.

Like you say "The conviction has to come from the inside."

[renee819]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well what I have found out from experience is that people try to find ways to circumvent or find loopholes in the laws.

That is why you have preachers, who have a TV in the garage, so they can truthfully say they not have a TV in the house.

Then you have preachers who since they did not bought the TV in their house, they can truthfully say they do not own a TV.

Then you have preachers who are constantly in someone's else house watching TV, who can truthfully say they do not have a TV in their house.

Then you have the preachers who use a monitor to watch all kinds of movies and TV programs, who can truthfully say they do not have a TV.

Then you have the preachers who use their computers to watch Netflix, Zulu and other videos who can truthfully say they do not have a TV.

Laws only create more laws, that is precisely what is happening in the UPCI, which is a rules oriented organization, they are now creating more rules for the Internet age, it just goes on and on, because people are looking for loopholes.

This is precisely where the Pharisees went wrong, they added rule after rule to the Sabbath to the point that people begun to hate the Sabbath.

Like you say "The conviction has to come from the inside."

You hit the nail on the head, FlamingZword.

Anyone looking for loop holes are plainly Pharisees, and will not make it until they repent. Jesus called them snakes, vipers, hypocrites.

Until a person desires to serve God with their whole heart, mind, and soul, going to church just makes them into a bigger hypocrite.

On the other hand, when they do decide and see the hypocrisy and Paganism in the church, then they may have to leave, to be able to serve God with their whole heart.

Do we condemn those that are blinded to their own sins? NO! But we should try to teach them, the truth of what they are doing. Not in a hateful way, but with love.

Galatians 6:1-10 (KJV)
1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Those looking for loopholes, though they do it in ignorance, are mocking God.

[Scott Hutchinson]

How can tablets and ipods and smart phones be allowed and TV. be allowed when TV. broadcasts can be viewed online it seems inconsistent ? How about allowing to Holy Ghost to guide your viewing habits ? On my job guys and gals are constantly viewing porn on cell phones ?
Can we tell our school kids that the internet can't be used for educational purposes because there is evil online ? Aren't OP manuals on discs now to be viewed on computers ?
I applaud those who have convictions about not having certain devices, but it seems to me what makes any form of media good or evil is the way it is used.