Selling Out to Cash In.... Ex-Apostolics... - Page 12

SDG · #**111** 05-25-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It most definitely is Baptist doctrine. This theology would be embraced by Billy Graham, Jimmy Swaggert and all the rest of the easy-believism crowd. Combine this theology with the trinitarian leanings and it's as if nothing truly Apostolic was ever present.

EGGHHHHHHHH .... wrong again most baptists are cessassionists and do not believe in the Pentecostal view of the baptism of the Holy Ghost ....

SDG · #**112** 05-25-2007, 03:56 PM

Our movement is filled w/ hundreds who believe they are not saved because they have not spoken in tongues after weeks ... months ... years of seeking ....

they go through marathon sessions with folks yelling and coaching them in their ears ... while patting them on the back ... giving them hound dog eyes and a wince ....i

f they don't receive it that night ... and must go home thinking they will be lost for eternity until it happens ... or worse .. they feel rejected and despondent and turn to sin once again ...

revrandy · #**113** 05-25-2007, 03:56 PM

Dan..

The truth is the UPC abandoned you and you have abandoned them.. when in fact there was probaly fault on both sides...

all you can see when you talk about the UPC is your bitterness against it..

I'm not faulting you for what may have happened... all I'm saying is your bitterness against the UPC often comes out...

revrandy · #**114** 05-25-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Our movement is filled w/ hundreds who believe they are not saved because they have not spoken in tongues after weeks ... months ... years of seeking ....

they go through marathon sessions with folks yelling and coaching them in their ears ... while patting them on the back ... giving them hound dog eyes and a wince ....i

f they don't receive it that night ... and must go home thinking they will be lost for eternity until it happens ... or worse .. they feel rejected and despondent and turn to sin once again ...

Hundreds.. I really doubt that...

BoredOutOfMyMind · #**115** 05-25-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

BOOM ARE YOU SERIOUS ????

but I will answer ... since WE'VE ONLY had this discussed maybe 3413 times

1. I believe that baptism is properly administered in Jesus name ... it is not the incantation of the name that saves us but it speaks to the authority and power given to those who call upon his name.

I know that my PAJC brethren have slew of beliefs on this issue ... such as the the blood is applied only at the mention of the name by the baptizer ...

2. We receive God's spirit at repentance ... it is what being born of God or regenerated means ... the baptism of the Holy Ghost ... being immersed in God's Spirit ...which can be evidenced by speaking in other tongues .... is not a hurdle to attaining salvation but a gift from God .... I reject the tongues or hell doctrine.

You never were asked, nor defined this in this thread until now. :sshhh

Charlie Brown · #**116** 05-25-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Dude.....

You are interesting. Good converstaionalist too.

I am not defending people that stop believing in what Acts 2:38 says to do in response to the Message. I am defending these people right to go on tv and do what they do.

The truth is that if the UPC was not soooooooooo against the tv thing that most of these men and women would not have left. Because they left they are suddenly written off as following another doctrine. The truth is that most that left the UPC and are on TBN still believe the same things. They may not follow a dress code, but everything else is still intact.

I disagree with you, unless of course they never believed Apostolic doctrine to begin with.

If I believe that it takes Jesus name Baptism, and the infilling of the holy ghost to make it, and then I go on TBN and lead sinners in a "sinners prayer", and then tell them they are saved, do I really believe what I used to??

SDG · #**117** 05-25-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Dan..

The truth is the UPC abandoned you and you have abandoned them.. when in fact there was probaly fault on both sides...

all you can see when you talk about the UPC is your bitterness against it..

I'm not faulting you for what may have happened... all I'm saying is your bitterness against the UPC often comes out...

Rev ... please go throughout this thread and count how many times I've mentioned the UPC .... you will be surprised how much you are reading into my posts ....

Charlie Brown · #**118** 05-25-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

EGGHHHHHHHH .... wrong again most baptists are cessassionists and do not believe in the Pentecostal view of the baptism of the Holy Ghost ....

Wrong Buckwheat. There is a big movement within the SBC that is embrasing the baptism of the Spirit. They currently believe that tongues are to be used only in private. But none-the-less they are gaining momentum.

SDG · #**119** 05-25-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

You never were asked, nor defined this in this thread until now. :sshhh

Wrong again. We've had these discussions countless times .... actually Elder Epley almost left the forum when the topic of Jesus name baptism came up several weeks ago ... he did not like my response or that of another poster.

Jack Shephard · #**120** 05-25-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

I disagree with you, unless of course they never believed Apostolic doctrine to begin with.

If I believe that it takes Jesus name Baptism, and the infilling of the holy ghost to make it, and then I go on TBN and lead sinners in a "sinners prayer", and then tell them they are saved, do I really believe what I used to??

Have you seen this happen? Or are you going on others word? I watch TBN all the time and esspecially when any of the "ex's" are on there. I have seen them lead in the sinners prayer, for repentance. I have never seen them or heard them say now you are saved.